Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

Rogan is providing his guests with a massive platform that can be used to disseminate information, so I think he has a responsibility to make sure his guests aren't spreading misinformation. Imagine if a popular influencer with a young fanbase had a guest on that swore eating Tide Pods was good for your health. Would you think a simple "wow" would be enough to absolve that influencer of responsibility for the message being disseminated?

> I personally don't know enough about mRNA to have a say, but what I can safely assume is that Malone knows more about mRNA than most people who are saying he is wrong.

From what I can find he contributed one building block 30 years ago. There's been 3 decades of research and development involving hundreds or thousands of people since then. Was he involved in the space at all in the last 2 decades prior to Covid? I tried to find if he kept up with the field, but search results are saturated with the latest controversy.

The best I could do for myself to understand his claims was a fact check website that references the sources that Malone was citing on Rogan's podcast [1]. The thing that really jumps out at me is that he's willing to use preprint sources that haven't been peer reviewed, so they haven't undergone any scrutiny or survived any criticism. Some of the authors of the sources even say he's misinterpreting or misrepresenting the results.

Malone:

> “[T]here is signs in some data […] from Denmark, among other places of negative efficacy against Omicron as a function of the number of vaccinations up to three”

vs:

> The first author of the preprint, medical statistician and epidemiologist Christian Holm Hansen, explained to Health Feedback that the claim misrepresented their results. He said that this effect often arises due to biases, which “are quite common in VE estimation from observational studies based on population data.” These biases include potential differences in detection, testing, or behavior between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals.

So am I supposed to believe Malone or the author of the paper that Malone is citing? One of them is actively working on the topic as their day job / career and the other is touring around doing talk shows like a celebrity. Do you think Malone knows more about a paper written by Christian Holm Hansen than Christian Holm Hansen does?

Malone isn't doing any original research from what I could find, so if the author of work he's citing refutes him, I think that's adequate to call it misinformation or misrepresentation. And I think that harsh label is warranted because he never comes back around to correct the record. If Malone was concerned about his long term credibility and corrected himself then I would call it a misunderstanding.

I've seen Malone giving information compared to Fauci giving information and that's not a reasonable comparison IMO. At best Malone is a small cog in a big machine while Fauci is the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Malone is presenting an individual opinion while Fauci is presenting a consensus opinion that's expected to be the aggregate of the entire industry.

Also, Rogan calling Malone "the inventor of mRNA" is a bit of an embellishment. That's like having Tim Paterson on a podcast and calling him "the inventor of MS Azure" because he wrote DOS 30 years prior.

I'll finish by saying I think the politicization is terrible for us long term. In Canada we have some provinces with strict lockdown measures and some with none. The ones with strict measures are collecting detailed stats to substantiate their viewpoint and some of the provinces without are planning to de-emphasize stat collection.

That's a big loss for everyone because we're going to miss out on an opportunity to analyze the effectiveness of strict social restrictions vs none. The problem is that it's a political death sentence for the anti-lockdown choice if the data says they were wrong, so the solution is to hide the truth even if it could end up supporting that position.

We're also at risk of losing out on the highest value health related incident post-mortem in the history of mankind because the politicization will prevent everyone involved from being honest and upfront about things that worked, things that didn't work, mistakes that were made, improvements that could be made in the future, etc..

So, in the context of politicizing the topic, I think entertainers like Rogan are doing a quite a bit of harm.

1. https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/robert-malone-mislead...

I started paying for Spotify years ago to remove ads, and now I appear to be paying _and_ getting ads.

Being american is in many ways being rebellious. Vaccine mandates go in opposition to this very american spirit, a spirit of irreverance, rock and roll. Misinformation has nothing to do with why americans are refusing to get vaccinated. Informing them further wont change this fact, america would not have been founded without a rebellious spirit.

Your imposition of your beliefs by the way, are not to protect the other americans, its for your own "salvation". You want so desperately to be right, you're willing to only look at information that aligns with your belief system. You want your enemies to be wrong and you want them punished for not holding the same beliefs you do. If you really cared about the people who are not choosing to get vaccinated, you would let them be free to make their own choices, even if it means their death.

I repeat this over and over again. Everyone who wants to get vaccinated is vaccinated. Everyone who's willing to take the risk of not being vaccinated is willing to die for their freedom. There is nothing stopping us from opening up now. Its just theater for one side to blame the other for not being good little sheep. The anti-mandaters have been ready to open up for months now, and they don't care if they die, they don't care if they lose their jobs, they don't care if they are ostracized. Honk if your horny!

If only the ones pointing fingers saying we can't open up because of the unvaxxed, would stop crying and realize that we have been able to open up already for a long time now, we would be able to open up. But alas, it seems people aren't here to solve problems but to be angry, point fingers, and blame others for a situation which they can fix themselves. I'll repeat that one more time, you aren't here to debate or ameliorate or fix the situation, because if you were we would have been done with this a long time ago.

You're here because you want to be angry at the people who refuse stand on your side of the field like drunk men in a football stadium harassing anyone who wears the other color. And this is why you care so much about getting the unvaccinated vaccinated, not to save their lives. Oh no. you relish it when there's news of people who lie in hospital beds regretting not getting the vaccine. You relish in that schadenfreude, you relish in it because you are so desperate to be right, unable to realize its not about any information/misinformation/disinformation. Its about rebellion, you're just mad that some people just don't play along.