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Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Anyone else marveling at the amount of time/effort/thought spent on this vs. let's say (cliché incoming) curing cancer, or (slightly less cliché but quickly catching up) stopping/mitigating climate change?

No, huh? Everybody would rather re-hash all the same boring free speech vs. bullying/disinformation arguments again?

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#982
People are talking about how this will make it difficult to get good information. And that is true. No one will downvote videos now, because publicly expressing your disapproval was the only reason to do so.

Now, the only people who will downvote are people who are technically savvy enough to realize that downvoting will help YouTube recommend better videos to them.

It's a shame, YouTube is one of the last platforms where publicly expressing your disapproval via a voting system is possible. And I think this has an effect on the nature of internet discourse. Look at the difference in conversations on Twitter vs Reddit. On Twitter, if you see something that you disagree with, you leave an (often ad hominem) comment. On Reddit, you just downvote, and feel equally satisfied.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#983

Whether this is good for creators is one thing, but it's definitely bad for viewers. Likes to dislikes is an indicator of the quality of the video, and how well it matches the title/description. This will fundamentally change what I use YouTube for. If I can't determine the quality of a video without having to waste time watching it, I will just look somewhere else.

I feel completely opposite about this. I have never (and I mean never) viewed the dislikes as an indicator of the quality of the video, or it’s content. It’s only ever been a number that some arbitrary set of people have incremented. To me the video’s quality is self evident, pretty quickly.

Regardless of how you interpret it, they're providing less information

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#984

> Clearly a flawed conclusion. For the result of their experiment they deduced what they wanted it to say. Because we can easily say that the effect is not "dislike attacking" but other effects: - shy people more afraid to give their opinion not knowing that others have done the same. - the feature feeling useless, as even if you dislike, you might thing that you click will worth nothing as no one will see it. Imagin…

> Clearly a flawed conclusion. For the result of their experiment they deduced what they wanted it to say. you know how when you navigate google drive on the web you have to double-click. like, what, a website, where you double click links to navigate? the internal study that justified that was 12 people; 6 of whom either immediately tried to double click (2 IIRC) or eventually tried to double click (4 IIRC). so, 50%…

Do you double click actual (hyper)links to navigate or folders? Because in the context of a file manager I think single click to select and double click to navigate is the only sane approach. How do you multi-select with something like a shift-click if single clicks navigate you away from the current page.

Single click to navigate in a file manager is what got us those laughably inefficient interfaces where you have check boxes beside every item and no reasonable way to multi-select.

Maybe those 6 people immediately double clicked because it's the only non-stupid way of doing it?

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

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Bummer. I often use like vs dislike ratios as a gauge on whether a video is worth watching. If I see a 3,000 up / 48 down video on a topic I'm interested in there's a really good chance the video is great. I'm a small time creator (~13.5k subs) and don't care at all about upvotes or downvotes being public. There's only been a handful of videos out of hundreds that received more downvotes than expected because the vid…

I just canceled my premium subscription. I'm not taking this lightly, YT has been an important part of my life for as long as I can remember. But at this point it feels like the responsibile thing to do is to vote with my wallet. Not that a change in course is likely; their leadership has been hell bent on ruining the platform for years.

Same here and agree 100%. Seeing ads again will help me spend less time on the platform. I almost cancelled earlier this year but this made it easy for me to pull the trigger.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#988

> We understand that some of you have used dislikes to help decide whether or not to watch a video – still, we believe this is the right thing to do for our platform So basically, "We understand that this feature is useful in helping you determine where to spend your time and attention, but we're going to do it anyway because it benefits us." > and to help create an inclusive and respectful environment where creators…

ding ding ding. this is the correct lens through which to view this situation. for anyone who honestly doesn’t understand how straightforward and devastating this argument is, read it again and learn something.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#989

Also, coming soon: User comment: DISLIKE Other users click like button on comment a ton of times... Next official move? Making comments visible to subscribers and premium users only... Google is going against basic human nature here and it's Orwellian as fuck. Next unofficial move? Censor comments containing, "DISLIKE" because the ones doing it will stand right out same as they did before and having them not stand ou…

How is it a "trend"? Facebook never had dislike. So does instagram. Even Twitter never had a downvote as far I can remember. Issue is that Google is removing it after entire YouTube culture was built around it.

Facebook did have a thumbs down in an early college-only version.
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