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YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

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Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision? I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". Just a no win situation. It's too easy for bad characters to screw up an entire system with little effort (look at trolls, spammers, etc). Either you moderate everyone and slippery slope down into censorship where the tools…

> I almost feel like people are siding with the anti-vaxxers out of "principle". You say that like it's a bad thing. If we don't stop the censorship now, it'll be too late to stop it in a year or two when we're the ones being censored for some reason.

I think it's already too late. Removal of unpopular / non-mainstream opinions from large social media sites is now the norm and is celebrated (by those who didn't get silenced).

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#982

I have an honest question to all of the honest people recommanding their relatives to get vaccinated: I've had covid twice, with very mild effects (stay in bed for one day or two). I'm young, no comorbidity, not obese etc. Clearly I won't die of covid, as experimental science goes. I'm the only provider for my family (wife, kid). If I take the vaccine and get crippled, meaning I can't work anymore, will the pro-vacci…

Let's just say that is an extreme unlikelihood. The risk that you would get a permanent lasting effect from covid is very large which has happened to many who have had covid, millions are not over their lasting effects. At least with the vaccine it is under someones control, designed vigorously to be safe and someone is legally responsible. If you got covid, bad luck, your problem. I don't know how it works in the US…

Where I live (France), you'll get no compensation from the state (most H1N1 narcolepsies haven't still been compensated) , any lawsuit against big pharma would be quite risky and not compensated well anyway.

"Also it's still likely that if you get covid a third time that you will get a worse outcome. " > do you have facts backing this affirmation?

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#983

I'm normally against this kind of thing, but then I read the comments, even here on HN, and kind of see it as the lesser evil.

"Even" here on HN?

Frankly, every time I read the comments on articles about COVID on HN I lose more respect for this community. Been here for years, but I may just leave and never come back.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#984
I live in BC. I'm double vaxxed. We know the military, recently back from fixing Afghanistan, is using their proven effective propaganda techniques to make everything better at home.

My ex's mom is a real-ass epidemiologist, albeit not a pandemic person but you know on gov't boards and stuff. She was recommending my ex not get astrazenica, purely on the evidence.

Now, I have to have a passport to go to a restaurant. I have the card they gave me, but they will be requiring an app soon.

This is insane, it looks like pure divide-and-conquer tactics to me.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#985

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

I'm glad you got vaccinated. But... Can you expand on why you were hesitant because of censorship? Because if there were lots of serious problems with the vaccine, they'd be covered in a second on fox news. Meanwhile, a lot of people are hugely influenced by false stories on social media, it's just a fact, with recent examples being things like ivermectin and the 2016 presidential election conspiracies, and don't for…

You're probably referring to Biontech*, but when I got AstraZeneca the chances of dying from the virus for my age interval was only slightly more than the chance of dying from the vaccine, as calculated by the ECDC.

* which as an aside does cause myocarditis and pericardits in particular for young males. This is important because for example in Germany the incidence was 1 case from 17.271 doses for males in the 12-17 age range and in most cases the symptoms appeared after the second dose, which may mean that a booster could also trigger it.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#986

> Months ago he was insisting that the people who had contracted COVID-19 and who had antibodies in their system may not need the vaccine. Now, we have a number of studies coming out to support that. But months ago that was "anti-vax" (employing the slanderous use of the term). I live in Iceland. Recovery from cov-sars-2 infection is considered as valid as a vaccine here. The same goes for Norway and ( to the best of…

Thank you for telling the truth.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#987

I was hesitant for a while and the massive censorship was part of it. I got vaccinated in May and have convinced others to get the shot since the side effects, while existent, appear to be minor compared to the reduction in harmful symptoms. Talking to my doctor is what did it for me. He cleared up most of my concerns and pressed me that my remaining concerns were too nebulous to be useful. If he just said "shut up a…

> She believed that if the vaccine was actually as great as they're saying they'd be able to make more objective goalposts and win arguments instead of stopping them because the other side is too stupid to make their own decisions. The problem I see here is that the (I hesitate to call it this) anti-vax "side" has been shifting goalposts since day n-1. If you've ever talked to someone who's shifted goalposts you'll s…

The moving goalpost argument goes both ways. I'm vaccinated but here's what I hear.

- just get vaccinated - we need booster shots - we need booster shots every 8 months - we need booster shots every 5 months

And you know there will be something next, it never moves in the other direction.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#988
post #259

The problem is that questions about the vaccine are being labeled as anti-vaccine. Real data about the side effects of the vaccine constitutes science not anti-vax propaganda. It is distressing that supporters of informed consent are being lumped in with QAnon.

I'm starting to believe in the conspiracy theory that conspiracy theories are created by a conspiracy to make rational talking points easier to attack and silence. Rational dissidents can be easily silenced if they are connected to these propaganda movements. When there's a flood of misinformation, then it's hard for anyone to get factual information out. It's a way to censor information by flooding it with adjacent…

"Truth decay" is the common term for this. Usually it's considered as an attack on expertise and authority, but associating a belief with a government conspiracy is no different than associating it with any other conspiracy. "Rational dissidents" is not redundant. Being a dissident doesn't make someone rational, and being conventional doesn't make someone irrational. All such assumptions or insinuations are forms of truth decay.

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#989
post #259

The problem is that questions about the vaccine are being labeled as anti-vaccine. Real data about the side effects of the vaccine constitutes science not anti-vax propaganda. It is distressing that supporters of informed consent are being lumped in with QAnon.

I'm starting to believe in the conspiracy theory that conspiracy theories are created by a conspiracy to make rational talking points easier to attack and silence. Rational dissidents can be easily silenced if they are connected to these propaganda movements. When there's a flood of misinformation, then it's hard for anyone to get factual information out. It's a way to censor information by flooding it with adjacent…

One of the CIA's favorite moves!

Re: YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking all anti-vaccine content

#990
post #807

I myself am vaccinated, but I hold no ill will towards those who do not get it; whatever their reason. And yet, the media is conditioning all of us to hate those people. To shame them. To ignore their reason and free-will. The same people who are rabidly pro-vaccine are generally rabidly pro-choice when it comes to abortion. How does that reconcile? How come the government can sometimes tell you what to do with your…

Those people should understand they have their free speech and so does youtube as a private company. They still have other avenues. Vimeo, odysee, gab, gittr, breitbart. It's just the rest of us don't want to see their drivel.

The government is also circumventing the 1st amendment by pressuring Private Companies to ban speech for them.
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