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FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by [deleted] »

ezekg wrote: post #974
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #969

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It's interesting that this went so viral. I've had two friends independently send it to me and now I see it here. Seems fishy and a lot of the comments under it don't seem genuine. Lots of "I'm sending this to everyone I know" or "the people who need to hear this won't". Bizarre. Seems to be sponsored by academyofideas.com. Good luck finding who actually runs that site.

But do you disagree with the video? It seems pretty spot on to me. People *are* going mad and (violently) turning against each other, and the media and governments are perpetuating it. Regarding the comments -- that's YT for you. The comments section is always weird.

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Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by renaudg »

daddylongstroke wrote: post #972
astura wrote: post #789

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No medical intervention is entirely without risk - the risk must be taken in context 1) Risk of potential negative long-term health outcomes from COVID-19 vaccine. 2) Risk of potential negative health outcomes (long and short term) from COVID-19 infection. As well as 3) Risk of potential negative non-health outcomes from COVID-19 infection (social and economic, risk of infecting others, risk of overrunning ICUs) With…

Take a closer look at the mortality rate from COVID, and then take a closer look at which pre-existing conditions people who are being hospitalized largely have (all easily found on CDC's network of reporting hospitals, at least for the US). It would appear based on these data points, that the vast majority of people have nothing to fear, neither death or hospitalization. However, if you're in the growing minority of…

Anyone tempted to reply to this troll, here's the kind of other stuff he writes : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28082379

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by mindcrime »

newacct583 wrote: post #899
mindcrime wrote: post #539

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the fact that the same people who are most invested in the libertarian framing are the ones who believe a secret government agent has been working for the last four and a half years to extrajudiciously round up pedophiles and liberals. FWIW, that's not even close to true among the Libertarians I know. And as a Libertarian myself, I know quite a few. The set of people who "believe a secret government agent has been wo…

> And as a Libertarian myself, I know quite a few. Yes, but obviously that's not a representative sample. My point was that the population of genuine libertarians for whom this seems like a first principles argument is dwarfed by the general population of Q-adjacent social conservatives who are happy to adopt libertarian framing but really just want the government to do what they want.

the population of genuine libertarians for whom this seems like a first principles argument is dwarfed by the general population of Q-adjacent social conservatives who are happy to adopt libertarian framing but really just want the government to do what they want.

Gotcha. Yes, agreed. Which is unfortunate. :-(

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by zacharytelschow »

neogodless wrote: post #775
zacharytelschow wrote: post #358

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That hypothetical scenario is current reality for just under half the country.

I may be misunderstanding your meaning, but I think you mean that half of the country does not like Biden, and Biden is requiring everyone to get the vaccine? Is that happening? I cannot find any federal law of any kind (let alone stemming from the oval office) requiring individuals to get the vaccine.

> I cannot find any federal law of any kind (let alone stemming from the oval office) requiring individuals to get the vaccine.

Does it need to be a law to be compulsory? How many Americans, including employees of numerous branches of the federal government that have said mandates, have the luxury of walking away from their jobs? Things like...

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-07-29/...

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by barfingclouds »

vvilliamperez wrote: post #239

Like someone else mentioned, I think the core issue is "Should the government have the right to mandate medical procedures?" In my mind, I'm vaccinated, so what does it matter to me if others are not?

Really? Because if others are the pandemic will end and mutations won’t happen and if you need to go to the hospital it won’t be over booked. And a myriad of other reasons.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by ev0lv »

barfingclouds wrote: post #986
vvilliamperez wrote: post #239

Like someone else mentioned, I think the core issue is "Should the government have the right to mandate medical procedures?" In my mind, I'm vaccinated, so what does it matter to me if others are not?

Really? Because if others are the pandemic will end and mutations won’t happen and if you need to go to the hospital it won’t be over booked. And a myriad of other reasons.

This is actually a common misconception.

Covid has an animal host vector. Unless we start vaccinating deer, it's here to stay regardless.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by megous »

ljf wrote: post #896
megous wrote: post #829

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Yes. That's the reason why I'm searching every once in a while for some studies.

I feel your pain, my wife got long covid back before that was at least accepted to be a thing. At first doctors are very dismissive, but gradually there were a critical mass of people able to demonstrate measurable symptoms. Here is hoping that somehow your friends symptoms pass soon and are mild. After seeing what long covid can do to a healthy 40yo woman with no preexisting conditions, where no one understands them…

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope your wife is feeling better now. Here it's not so much that the doctors are dismissive, they just don't know what it is.

ER neurologist she saw was not very surprised/dismissive, because she apparently went through a nasty reaction to the vaccine herself. And GP was also accepting, did run some diagnostics, but ultimately it's all back to hoping it will resolve by itself (+ as always, some analgesics).

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by daddylongstroke »

renaudg wrote: post #982
daddylongstroke wrote: post #972

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a closer look at the mortality rate from COVID, and then take a closer look at which pre-existing conditions people who are being hospitalized largely have (all easily found on CDC's network of reporting hospitals, at least for the US). It would appear based on these data points, that the vast majority of people have nothing to fear, neither death or hospitalization. However, if you're in the growing minority of…

Anyone tempted to reply to this troll, here's the kind of other stuff he writes : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28082379

Just speaking my lived experience homie. Most of my family and friends are RNs, many of which, have various chronic issues due to work-related mandatory yearly vaccinations. Their cases are facts backed by practicing virologists.

Re: FDA Approves First Covid-19 Vaccine

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Post by daddylongstroke »

renaudg wrote: post #980
daddylongstroke wrote: post #970

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Anecdotally, I know someone who got the vaccine, and dropped to the ground of a heart attack 3 days later - no prior history of any heart issues or hypertension. Thankfully, he was near an EMT unit that had to bring him back.

Yay anecdotal evidence !

Responding to another anecdote...but guessing you didn't actually see the thread. :-P
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