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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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This interface is already in production in the electric mustang. The buttons are all touchscreen, with the exception of the physical center wheel which is embedded in a hole in the screen. The photo on this article may be helpful: https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/02/im-obsessed-with-the-ford-...

It's just stuck on the touchscreen I thought, like that microsoft puck thing for their non portable Surface device

Yes that’s right[1]

1. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-ele...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…

Lots of people buy 100k Ford pickups, 50k is no big deal to fords market

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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I tried putting in a reservation in Canada yesteday. I think they got slashdoted. Spinning.... Victim of their success. Maybe they will understand why Tesla does not need paid for marketing?

Heh, "slashdotted"... Yathink most of the kids will even understand it?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Every single car today is bloated.

Like the Toyota Yaris and Fiat 500?

A great case study. The Fiat looks respectably small until you see the original which looks like one of those cozy coupes that they sell for toddlers. The comparison is sobering. Not only that, but in the interior too, the controls and dials are beautifully neat and thin in contrast to the modern version.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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One of the things I need a truck for is to tow a trailer with cows inside to (and back from) a facility that can extract eggs, implant embryos, etc. Unfortunately, that route doesn't follow any interstate highways and is about 180 miles each way. I'd absolutely LOVE to tow them with an electric truck and eliminate emissions from the picture. I've been eagerly awaiting something like the Cybertruck/Lightning, but unti…

Then...don't get an EV truck? You're not the target audience. Might be a 360 round trip capability. Someone else will need to take their cows 400 miles round trip...then 420? At what point is good enough is good enough. Your criticism will likely prevent someone else where it fits their use case from buying it just because of a "what if" scenario and prevents the overall cause of eliminating emissions.

I reread my comment and I sound like an ass and I'm sorry. I'm just frustrated that I think we'll have a long road ahead in reaching mass adoption if people keep hearing these one off scenarios and think of the vehicles on a negative light when families can purchase 1 EV and retain 1 ICE for now and use the ICE for long trips - or, rent for long trips but my friends keep holding out for the "perfect" EV.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

> If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. There's nothing "ridiculous" about people loving their toys. (People often own things not because they need them, but because they want them.)

Yeah, but often the toys people want are ridiculous.

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Agree in theory but no one has built in a similar sensor suite to Tesla or added a powerful enough computer chip in their cars. This roots back to Tesla treating the whole car like a unified piece of software and having much better programmatic control over it. I only mentioned autopilot because the leading EV does have it as an included feature and so when weighing options people might question why it's not there on…

It's not an included feature on the Teslas, it's a $10k option.

All Teslas now have the 8 cameras and computer chip and Autopilot comes standard. it's 10k to enable the FSD via software.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…

I like Ford and have driven mustangs for 30 years with a short gap where I had a truck. Just a preface to say I’m not hating on Ford in particular here, but the msrp is bogus. I can nearly guarantee that the actual base on a vehicle you can actually by will be $10k higher once a dealer is involved. Edit: side comment, wow 800 plus comments on an F150 hacker news submission. Did not see that coming ;)

At some point I will want to buy an electric truck. The biggest appeal with Tesla is that I don’t need to deal with dealership.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Hot take: this, as some like Ars Technica have observed, stands a decent chance of being a real game changer. Everything about this vehicle launch appears masterful, from its technology to its branding to the obvious care taken to ensure that in almost every respect it is so superior, and offers so many no-brainers, as to make anyone who can (both individuals and especially, fleet managers), buy these as fast they ca…

Äh I have to disagree. This is far, far, far less of a game changer compared to the Cybertruck. It basically worse and more expensive at everything and its very unlikely Ford can build close to as many as the Cybertruck. Simply because of batteries alone and other production capacity as well (a lot is shared with the other F150s). Its really slow charging considering the time it will come out. If you want to use this…

Yes I'm sure ford will struggle as they only make 4+ million plus vehicles a year, nowhere near teslas bumper crop of 180k a quarter...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Äh I have to disagree. This is far, far, far less of a game changer compared to the Cybertruck. It basically worse and more expensive at everything and its very unlikely Ford can build close to as many as the Cybertruck. Simply because of batteries alone and other production capacity as well (a lot is shared with the other F150s). Its really slow charging considering the time it will come out. If you want to use this…

Yes I'm sure ford will struggle as they only make 4+ million plus vehicles a year, nowhere near teslas bumper crop of 180k a quarter...

Oh this old bad argument warmed up again.

Remember when 5 years ago people claimed that as soon car companies make electric cars they would outsell Tesla?

Well the fact is that Tesla sells more EV by far then even VW by a large amount.

Scaling BEV production is hard, and just because for produces lots of ICE cars does not mean they can magically produce lots of EVs.

Do yourself a favor and actually learn about BEV production and supply chain issues.

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