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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by einpoklum »

mrep wrote: post #909
einpoklum wrote: post #348

I wonder how much economic damage is caused every day that ship is stuck.

The canal generated 5.61 billion USD in 2020 [0] so it is costing them 15 million dollars a day in lost revenue. Shipping companies now have to go around Africa which costs uses more fuel and has other costs but now they don't have to pay the toll and I'm betting the spread between the toll price and the additional cost of going around Africa isn't very large or Egypt is leaving free money on the table. [0]: https://…

That's lost revenue for Egypt - there is also the losses all along the supply lines for all the goods that aren't reaching their destination.

Oh, and some of the goods may even be perishable, so they may be lost completely...

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by GoMonad »

I'm curious how fixing these sorts of events gets funded. I imagine the expense is massive. Is it insurance? Is the allocated amount anywhere near proportional to the money being lost to being stuck? Who eventually bears the cost?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by [deleted] »

blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by ineedasername »

jahewson wrote: post #676
ineedasername wrote: post #563

Every question with a binary answer should have its own website like this. I would, in particular, like a website for every room in my house with the question "are my car keys in this room?" Then I would create an rss feed of each site and subscribe to them.

That’s an O(n) car key search, if you instead asked the question “are my car keys in this half of the house?” you could perform a binary search O(log n).

I would still need N sites to ultimately resolve the specific room the keys are located it, and it would complicated my RSS feed because more than one would resolve to "yes". No, each room in my house must have its own sue & domain.

Actually I would need more sites under that method: an 8 room house would need a site for each side of the 4/4 split, then another for each 2/2 split, then 1 for each room.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by quickthrower2 »

golergka wrote: post #850
jacob2484 wrote: post #456

Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

Kubernetes memes we got out of this are pure gold though.

Yeah it was a cluster fuck

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by Sudophysics »

NoOneNew wrote: post #906
Sudophysics wrote: post #792

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, I know it sounds crazy. But what if they put a correctly sized explosive(s) deep enough below and along the spine to blow and then fill the area with water, reducing the rheological load? We're talking about 100 feet underneath the canal bed, and do it with a shaped charge that'll be more optimal for the task. Just thinking about fast <1 week methods.

So... you want to be the one responsible if it doesn't go as planned? Further blocking the canal, let alone damages to the ship and cargo on board. Theres a reason wacky, dangerous ideas happen in the movies and not real life. The consequences of trying to look clever and failing are pretty severe.

Well, I'm not trying to look clever. I'm trying to figure out how the hell this can be taken care of in less than a week.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by kerkouch »

Why don't they just remove some weight from the front of the ship, this way the ship will pitch towards its back, and then it will slide into the canal bed. Another option is to close the canal around the ship with sand bags or just sand, then fill it with water, once the ship float and untucked itself, move it to the canal bed with the help of tugboats.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by arkitaip »

mynameishere wrote: post #540
jacob2484 wrote: post #456

Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

Is it totally implausible that ordinary intelligent people might have some ideas better than "put some tug boats on one end, and a single backhoe on the other end"? Because that's what your expensive experts have come up with so far. For my brilliant idea: Announce that everything on the ship is free, including the ship itself, and watch all the ragamuffins of Egypt strip it to nothing in a day.

You are a total imbecile, Sir.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by exikyut »

jacob2484 wrote: post #456

Quite the arrogance here of mostly software devs trying to out -solutionize marine/shipping experts who undoubtedly have been consulted and are already looking for the quickest way to resolve the situation. With billions of dollars in stake, I'm sure even the most expensive experts are involved.

Bikeshedding can look like that sometimes.
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