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Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

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Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

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Bitcoin is a mystery to me. Somehow it's hailed as revolutionising the economy, by replacing currency with a worse kind of currency. It feels like this is where all the "how to get rich quick" book writers and other hustle bros went and created one giant financial pyramid, which works in quite simple way: - buy bitcoin - tell everyone around how revolutionary it is, so they buy it and what you holding increases in va…

I tried, I sincerely did. I had many friends who were strong believers in bitcoin. I read articles, I watched videos, and every time it felt like hucksterism. There was no serious discussion of the advantages of bitcoin, no attempt to explain blockchain. There was a lot of repeating, over and over again, how amazing and revolutionary bitcoin was. "For the first time ever, a computer owns currency!" one youtuber said…

You should probably not listen to random YouTubers, but to people having something to say. I suggest starting from aantonop.com

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You can’t have transactions without mining though and the block size is limited, so there’s an upper limit to how many transactions can go through in one block.

Details: > Blocks size in blockchain is limited to 1MB. Miners can mine blocks up to the 1MB fixed limit, but any block larger than 1MB is invalid. This limit cannot be modified without a hard fork. https://en.bitcoinwiki.org/wiki/Block_size_limit_controversy

Not exactly true anymore, it's 1MB "virtual", yeah, but segregated witness bytes are worth 0.75 other bytes, so the actual value can go over.

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> by replacing currency with a worse kind of currency. The reason why Bitcoin is a mystery for many people is exactly because of this ^. Bitcoin is NOT a currency. It doesn't position itself as a currency. This fairytale is long gone, forget about it. Bitcoin is a store of value. It cost $7.6M and took five years to repatriate 53,780 gold bars worth $27B back from the US to Germany. It's >1000X faster and >10X cheape…

> It doesn't position itself as a currency. This fairytale is long gone, forget about it. Bitcoin doesn’t position itself as anything. In other comments, though, you can see people are still defending its usefulness as currency. Your example is a bit strange, by the way. Transatlantic bank transfers in your currency of choice have been a solved problem for decades.

I'm talking about transferring bars of gold, which is not the same as a digital transfer.

Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

#984

Bitcoin is a mystery to me. Somehow it's hailed as revolutionising the economy, by replacing currency with a worse kind of currency. It feels like this is where all the "how to get rich quick" book writers and other hustle bros went and created one giant financial pyramid, which works in quite simple way: - buy bitcoin - tell everyone around how revolutionary it is, so they buy it and what you holding increases in va…

It never ceases to amaze me that people who should understand the magnitude of this technology the most are sometimes the slowest to get it. It's programmable cash. Uncontrollable. Dis-intermediated.

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To the people on HN who constantly try to talk about how stupid cryptocurrencies are, or how it's all a pyramid that's going to collapse, it's all stupid etc. What do you know that Tesla doesn't know? If you could sit down with the board of Tesla and explain to them what they've missed, what would you tell them?

Your asking the wrong question. What does the board of Tesla know that the average investor doesn’t know? Obviously that no matter the value, news like this will spike the price of Bitcoin. So they just made a huge profit just by slowly aquiring a security, then pumping its price and eventually dumping it. Quite an ingenious scheme there. You have to wonder how it will play out long term though.

> You have to wonder how it will play out long term though.

Wow, second-order thinking! I bet no one considered this.

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Legitimizing Bitcoin more than offsets the environmental benefits of electric vehicles.

Hes legitimizing crypto in general. PoS will be proven to be more efficient in almost every way, people will gravitate towards that. Bitcoin has the network effects of being the first mover right now. Ethereum is surpassing it on many metrics, txs/day, $ volume processed per day, etc [1]. [1] https://www.blockchaincenter.net/flippening/

Stop pumping shitcoins.

Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

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> It doesn't position itself as a currency. This fairytale is long gone, forget about it. Bitcoin doesn’t position itself as anything. In other comments, though, you can see people are still defending its usefulness as currency. Your example is a bit strange, by the way. Transatlantic bank transfers in your currency of choice have been a solved problem for decades.

I'm talking about transferring bars of gold, which is not the same as a digital transfer.

So bitcoin, despite being more volatile than gold, is a better store of value because it can be transferred more easily?

Ok then. It can also be stolen or lost more easily, though.

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I tried, I sincerely did. I had many friends who were strong believers in bitcoin. I read articles, I watched videos, and every time it felt like hucksterism. There was no serious discussion of the advantages of bitcoin, no attempt to explain blockchain. There was a lot of repeating, over and over again, how amazing and revolutionary bitcoin was. "For the first time ever, a computer owns currency!" one youtuber said…

You can just read "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System" by Satoshi Nakamoto, it's very readable. I personally like "Shelling Out: The Origins of Money" by Nick Szabo as well, for giving some background/entry-level theorizing about money. Here's a pretty large literature list as well: https://nakamotoinstitute.org/literature/

With all due respect, Nick Szabo is a computer scientist, not an economist or an economic historian.

Personally I'd recommend "The Ascent of Money: A Financial History of the World" by Niall Ferguson for a more complete look at what makes money, money.

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This is very worrying. Don't they have financial advisors at Tesla? An automaker should focus on making cars. This is what they specialise in and what they are good at. They should not be speculating with financial assets. Tesla shareholders can do that themselves, if they wish to.

Maybe they'll just release a RISC which lets you mine bitcoin with your Tesla or Powerwall, and use that as a selling point.

Re: Tesla buys $1.5B in Bitcoin, may accept it as payment in the future

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" Bitcoin is a way for me to step outside that debt I did not want or deserve" Try paying your taxes in Bitcoin. Then you'll find that it has nothing to do with trust and everything to do with avoiding having your assets stripped by the IRS. You want to live in a jurisdiction, then you pony up the tokens that jurisdiction demands. Or you lose your liberty and everything you own.

> Try paying your taxes in Bitcoin. It's happening already: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/-crypto-valley--canton-to-accep... > You want to live in a jurisdiction, then you pony up the tokens that jurisdiction demands. It has less to do with paying the taxes in the currency used by the State and more with protecting your wealth at the same that you can keep yourself liquid. If you ever experienced hyperinflation you wo…

"He would still pay his taxes in local currency."

But not enough clearly given the lack of saving and underdeveloped productive capacity, otherwise there wouldn't be inflation.

"If you ever experienced hyperinflation you would understand."

By analogy because planes crash due to bad piloting heavier than air flight is clearly completely impossible and we shouldn't attempt it.

Moreover we should design planes based solely on lurid tales from those who have survived plane crashes and are suffering PSTD from it not by listening to those who have studied aeronautics and actually understand the physics involved.

Your experiences may be sad, but you have the cause and effect completely wrong in your mind. Like those who believe 5G causes cancer.

What we need are better trained pilots. Preferably those who know they are flying an aircraft, not driving a bus.

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