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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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How would you stop the app from retaining your date once they have access to it?

You can revoke access to buckets (to stay in the S3 comparison).

But what if in reading the data the apps didn’t also make their own copy and store in their servers?

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Yes, I've moved all my friends and family to Telegram and it's been great. I communicate with them daily since many months.

What percentage of those messages are end-to-end encrypted?

Zero, but I guess we're not particularly worried about it?

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So many children using it. Wonder what the EU law is on data privacy and under age kids? Can under-18s legally sign this snooped data over to FB? Hope some lawyers can stop this in its tracks. Otherwise Signal or some other service will get our business

Don't know about kids but I think there is some requirement that people can meaningfully say no. Seems this is a breach of such a requirement. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...

Sadly the law is written in a way that let’s the optional part be disregarded if the business considers the data that’s being shared necessary to run its business model... and advertising companies like Facebook will argue all data can help them sell ads better or for more money, hence all sharing of data shouldn’t need to be optional. This has yet to be tested in court, but both google and Facebook have taken this approach in their implementation of gdpr, leaving us wondering what the point was anyway... law without teeth :( the eu should have already slapped down google hard for their lack of an opt out, but it’s been years and still nothing. Seems the law makers aren’t really on the side of privacy after all.

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It's harder for US folks to understand just how much of a monopoly WhatsApp has in Europe and the UK. Pretty much all of our school and local community communication happens via WhatsApp. I'd change to Signal or Telegram in a heartbeat, but the inertia is so great it's not possible. It pains me to say, but we're getting to the point where companies like Twitter, Facebook and Google need to be treated like utilities o…

Yes, though I feel like people are finally (slowly) waking up to the problems here. Both the US and the EU are finally looking deeply into Facebook and other big tech. I don't think politicians are going to solve the problem for us entirely, but a bunch of us have been working on technical solutions for decades and they aren't the entire answer either. A little regulation combined with the right alternatives may go s…

Thanks for the positive outlook among many negative ones :) I hope we can find a good alternative in the market. Anyone know of alternatives that allow end to end encryption with group chat support so far?

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It's harder for US folks to understand just how much of a monopoly WhatsApp has in Europe and the UK. Pretty much all of our school and local community communication happens via WhatsApp. I'd change to Signal or Telegram in a heartbeat, but the inertia is so great it's not possible. It pains me to say, but we're getting to the point where companies like Twitter, Facebook and Google need to be treated like utilities o…

Not only Europe and UK, LATAM is also pretty much governed by WA. I remember one time I had a visit of some folks from Canada, they were very surprised that we used it as our main chat/communication app. When I asked why, they said "we don't hear from it (referring to WA) that much, we all just use iMessage" I guess in their context/community most people own iPhones.

Exactly, the usage of iOS in some countries is high, and that’s where WhatsApp didn’t win as the most used chat.

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I'm in Europe, and I'm doing it to the best extent that I can: no permissions allowed to whatsapp, no profile picture, no read receipts, no notifications, sending a standard message to all personal groups that 'lads, I'm moving to signal, ciao'. Beyond that, I will not entertain personal messages on whatsapp, only work related. Each new person will be greeted with "Do you mind awfully if we use Signal?" Does this com…

What when other new person suggests Telegram? I have like four different messaging apps on my phone: WhatsApp, Telegram, Wechat and Link. Don’t need one more random app lol

I’d love to switch to telegram, but their default messages aren’t even end to end encrypted. And secure messages are not available for groups. So it’s not a great option for privacy actually.

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This approach ignores all the aspects that made whatsapp / chat services popular in the first place. A short list: - Contact Discovery - Group chats - History / Log - Shared message order - Communication beyond text (emojis / reactions / inline images) - Ability to receive messages while offline - No need for technical skills These aren't trivial features, they are prerequisites for any replacement, decentralized or…

Everything you list could be supported at the client level with a decentralized IP6 level protocol without a need for a centralized server middleman.

Sounds great! Let me know when you’ve built it so I can try it out :)

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It's harder for US folks to understand just how much of a monopoly WhatsApp has in Europe and the UK. Pretty much all of our school and local community communication happens via WhatsApp. I'd change to Signal or Telegram in a heartbeat, but the inertia is so great it's not possible. It pains me to say, but we're getting to the point where companies like Twitter, Facebook and Google need to be treated like utilities o…

Why not make a local WhatsApp Signal bridge using Matrix ( https://matrix.org/bridges/ ) and a disposable SIM card, and just use Signal app on your phone?

Is that easy to do? I thought WhatsApp didn’t allow api access.

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I disagree. Facebook, Twitter and Google are ephemeral utilities. They will probably be replaced by another company. Privatizing them will just let someone else come along and Embrace, extend, extinguish them.

Them going out of business in 60 years doesn't mean we have to sit on our hands now.

I don't think they will last 60 years as monopolies. Like IBM if yesterday they will shuffle around shadow of their former selves.

MSFT is nowhere the behemoth it was, with Windows 10 being minority compared to Android.

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