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YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#982This is an enormous overreach. > Given that, we will start removing any piece of content uploaded today (or anytime after) that misleads people by alleging that widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, in line with our approach towards historical U.S. Presidential elections. For example, we will remove videos claiming that a Presidential candidate won the election due to…
These claims are being slaughtered in ongoing court cases, and many of them are objectively batshit, like the guy who filed an affidavit about being prevented from observing vote counts because he drove to the wrong location, or the woman, central to the Texas suit against PA and MI, who claims the Obamas "funded the Wuhan lab where coronavirus was made". It is not the case that Google has to provide space for a clai…
>These claims are being slaughtered in ongoing court cases, and many of them are objectively batshit,
The Mike Kelly case in PA, arguing that the law allowing mail-in ballots was illegal, was ruled by a judge as completely legally valid, but was thrown out of the state supreme court because "they waited too long to complain".
So, no, not objectively batshit. If the GOP had filed that case in January, Trump would have won PA...assuming the same supreme court didn't throw out their case for some other arbitrary reason like "filing too soon."
The Democrats outplayed Republicans. Democrats passed an un-Constitutional law that helped them stuff ballot boxes with ballots that were almost certainly harvested or bought. If we're to believe the election results and voter turnout in, say, mostly black Philadelphia, Joe Biden is a more popular politician than even Barack Obama. Only an idiot would believe that. But still, it serves Republicans right for underestimating the extent to which Democrats would cheat.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#983If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…
> some impartial account of what really happened We do see students, even at the college level, claiming that the high quality academic writing they are assigned in curricula is "liberal indoctrination". This method does not function because even the most well researched academic study of these topics can be simply rejected out of hand by students who have been fed lies about the very structure of education.
The problem here is that parts of college (any department that ends in "studies") are liberal indoctrination. So this is the college's job to fix before criticizing the students.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#984This is Orwellian bullshit. And I'll take it because I think the alternative is leading to a few greedy assholes using analytical data to successfully weaponize millions upon millions of uninformed people against logic and common sense. Do we add restrictions to voting to weed out people who habitually vote anti-facts? No. Disenfranchisement. Do we make fake news illegal? No. Censorship leading to state run media. Do…
There is another option: use anti-trust enforcement or similar regulatory actions to ensure a competitive market, so people can be always get access to information, and no single private provider can become a universal censor.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#985Let me tell you a story. There once was a company that made a social media platform for sharing video content. The platform was monetized by ads. The company noticed that its users watched more ads so long as they were being shown content which appealed to their personal preferences and opinions. The company dubbed this phenomena "engagement" and quickly introduced an algorithm to maximize engagement by constantly su…
One day it will be commonly accepted that these ML recommenders have played the same role in this social crisis as the Gaussian copula did in the financial crisis.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#986The algorithms that optimize the shareholder value are against the idea of having a healthy debate on social media. Echo chambers deliberately implemented by Big Tech has led us here. It is a permanent damage. If consumers of social media were shown both sides, perhaps we wouldn't be here in the first place. Truth vs. Falsehood are like a special place on the nyquist plot and its stability criterion is like of an inv…
One day it will be commonly accepted that these ML recommenders have played the same role in this social crisis as the Gaussian copula did in the financial crisis.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#987The tighter they squeeze, the more likely is the mergence of a platform that cannot be controlled by anyone for any purpose.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#988Holy shit, this thread is scary. Sure, there are some implications worth discussing based on this news. However, the number of people directly posting doubts on the election results is way more concerning and shows that Youtube might be doing a good thing in this case.
I think a lot of people just know once done, this is not the last time a tech company will get letters from senators asking for content to be removed. This time, I happen to agree that the claim the election was stolen is actively harmful but I also remember when Covid was officially not spread human to human and if Covid misinformation had been a banned thing earlier in the pandemic we would have been probably removing content from actual doctors that ended up being right. Remember when "masks wouldn't help"?
I think youtube is doing a "good thing" in terms of getting us past this silliness faster, but I don't think it'll necessarily be a "good thing" next time so I'd rather it happen never.
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#989If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…
"False balance, also bothsidesism, is a media bias in which journalists present an issue as being more balanced between opposing viewpoints than the evidence supports. Journalists may present evidence and arguments out of proportion to the actual evidence for each side, or may omit information that would establish one side's claims as baseless. False balance has been cited as a major cause of spreading misinformation…
"False balance" is irrelevant to Russell's point above. He would be the first to explain that the average of two false statements is not necessarily true. The referenced "inference as to what really happened" does not proceed by the method you assume it to do. Indeed, the false-balance problem, where it occurs, is merely another way in which his maxim, "everything in newspapers is more or less untrue" is realized!
Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud
#990Thanks YouTube! Trying to figure out what’s true and what’s not all on my own has been pretty damn hard. Frankly I may not be smart enough to sort it all out. Thankfully you, being at the center of truth in this universe, can help us all out. No election fraud. Got it. Did you know that there are a bunch of videos that are critical of Apple products and a bunch more that praise Apple? They can’t both be right! Could…
Yeah, and then can you let us know what happened with JFK and also if the UFOs are aliens or what? Also, Coke or Pepsi? thanks in advance YouTube!