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Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #949
rayiner wrote: post #89

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The “professional journalists” aren’t that great either. The field has been overtaken by 20 year olds. Even Matt Yglesias, who has spent most of his career to the left of Democrats as a whole, has been grumbling on his podcast about journalists these days failing to respect the difference between journalism and advocacy. Matt Taibbi (who I don’t like as a person but who is at least a real journalist) has written an e…

Another part of the problem of journalism/advocacy is cancel culture. Some people want to deny that it exists, or that it's problem, even if it does. But it's precisely the reason that you felt the need to virtue-signal that you didn't like Taibbi (whoever he/she is; I don't know). Everyone feels the need to "take sides" in whatever is being discussed. All of this tribalism is part and parcel to the problem you're de…

No one's saying why I'm being downvoted, but Antonio Garcia-Martinez is making similar arguments about the media being fractured at the middle-age bracket in his latest piece: https://pullrequest.substack.com/p/twilight-of-the-media-eli...

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by monocasa »

heurist wrote: post #963
croes wrote: post #793

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"A spokesman for the Biden campaign, Andrew Bates, said that Mr. Biden’s official schedules showed no meeting between Mr. Biden and the advisor." Sounds different to Biden did not meet the advisor. Overly specific dementi are suspicious. And is GRU using authentic emails or fake ones? Because if they are valid, it doesn't matter who obtained them. Just like when the DNC screwed Bernie Sanders during Hillary Clinton's…

I don't understand why any of this matters. Is it just to paint Biden with a 'corruption' brush? Trump's family has already been shown to have done as much or worse than these claims against Hunter, and Trump's network of hotels have been raking in cash for access (recent NYT story: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/10/us/trump-prop... ). This is such a strange argument.

Trump's base doesn't care that he's corrupt. Biden's does.

They don't get held to the same standards because they're playing to different audiences.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by anthonyrstevens »

ABCLAW wrote: post #711
prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

>But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore. It turns out being able to lie at scale is a more credible and more immediate threat to society than nuanced restrictions on the flow of information. If you play any Town of Salem style game, you know that being able…

>> It turns out being able to lie at scale is a more credible and more immediate threat to society than nuanced restrictions on the flow of information.

This is so spot on.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by anthonyrstevens »

Karunamon wrote: post #592
JohnBooty wrote: post #511

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But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship I was born in the 1970s and I can tell you why I flipped. The (hopelessly naive) ideal many of us had was that, by breaking down communication barriers, we'd create an egalitarian "marketplace of ideas" and the best ideas would win. And by "best" ideas we generally meant principle…

There is no solution to this problem that doesn't involve unaccountable third parties setting the ground rules for what is okay to say. I'd take a thousand racist uncles writing about chemtrails before taking a single official censor. The abuse factor for the latter is simply too high to ever permit. Freedom of speech, as a concept, includes by extension the freedom to be wrong.

>> There is NO SOLUTION [Emphasis added] to this problem that doesn't involve unaccountable third parties setting the ground rules

Are you absolutely sure that this statement is correct?

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by croes »

heurist wrote: post #963
croes wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"A spokesman for the Biden campaign, Andrew Bates, said that Mr. Biden’s official schedules showed no meeting between Mr. Biden and the advisor." Sounds different to Biden did not meet the advisor. Overly specific dementi are suspicious. And is GRU using authentic emails or fake ones? Because if they are valid, it doesn't matter who obtained them. Just like when the DNC screwed Bernie Sanders during Hillary Clinton's…

I don't understand why any of this matters. Is it just to paint Biden with a 'corruption' brush? Trump's family has already been shown to have done as much or worse than these claims against Hunter, and Trump's network of hotels have been raking in cash for access (recent NYT story: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/10/us/trump-prop... ). This is such a strange argument.

If Trump is worse doesn't matter. If there is something true about Hunter and Joe Biden, he would be open to blackmail That's a security risk.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by phy6 »

heurist wrote: post #963
croes wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"A spokesman for the Biden campaign, Andrew Bates, said that Mr. Biden’s official schedules showed no meeting between Mr. Biden and the advisor." Sounds different to Biden did not meet the advisor. Overly specific dementi are suspicious. And is GRU using authentic emails or fake ones? Because if they are valid, it doesn't matter who obtained them. Just like when the DNC screwed Bernie Sanders during Hillary Clinton's…

I don't understand why any of this matters. Is it just to paint Biden with a 'corruption' brush? Trump's family has already been shown to have done as much or worse than these claims against Hunter, and Trump's network of hotels have been raking in cash for access (recent NYT story: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/10/us/trump-prop... ). This is such a strange argument.

They are trying to drag down Biden by implying he is the person mentioned in Hunters family texts, saying that half of their salaries go to "Pops".

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by seppin »

surge wrote: post #908
seppin wrote: post #804

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Unless the IRS was hacked, this comparison is invalid.

What hack? The amount of disinformation and lack uninformed opinions is astounding. Try coming back to the middle on politics and reading news sources from one side. The PC was left at a repair shop unclaimed, it then became the shops property. They were explicitly given access to the material, but Hunter never picked it up, this isn't a hack, and far less a violation of privacy than the Federal Government employee's…

Yes this is the incredible flimsy cover story that Hunter Biden drove 2500 miles from his home to leave a laptop with a random person then never came back for it.

This after "US intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that Rudy Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence, as he gathered information he thought would expose the Bidens."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-bi...

Forgive me if i'm fast forwarding past the obvious lies and openly mocking all those who can't do the same.

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Post by seppin »

seppin wrote: post #801
shostack wrote: post #737

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That's news to me. Can you cite a credible source for the debunking? I'd love to read more.

Many things have been corroborated, nothing has been disproven. https://www.lawfareblog.com/steele-dossier-retrospective The idea that it was/is fake is a lie direct from Trump's mouth.

Downvote with reason or response, what a great place for discussion.

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Post by zaptrem »

75dvtwin wrote: post #841
inglor_cz wrote: post #172

This is the Streisand effect in practice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Here in Czechia we mostly concentrate on our outrageous Covid numbers of late, but this story about Twitter pulling down a NY Post article made it through into our local news. If it stayed up, no one would have cared enough to write about it.

Well, I think you underestimate the gravity of this. A thoroughly corrupt money laundering Biden family machine (which also involves children of other previously high profile politicians) -- may become the presidential family of US. And the social networks in the country, have chosen to do what they have always done with anti-left news -- they censored them. My view, make the execs accountable now. They have to be on…

I don’t see how the information revealed by these hackers backs up any of the accusations you just made. This whole thing (along with your reaction to it) reminds me of 2016’s “but her emails!”

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by 6nf »

rch wrote: post #714
CivBase wrote: post #200

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How does this constitute hacking? The repair shop almost certainly retains ownership of unclaimed deviced after some period of time. The shop owns the laptop. The data is theirs to do with as they please and they chose to publish it (at least, that's the story). No hacking necessary.

Not following the details of the story, but has anyone suggested that Hunter dropped off the laptop himself? Stealing a laptop and causing a bit of damage to initiate a costly repair, then leaving it with a shop under an assumed name seems like a solid Mitnick-level hack to me.

They have Hunder's signature on the receipt
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