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Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by thirdsun »

minedwiz wrote: post #765
buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #741

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So you're effectively saying that Apple must allow a user to install malware (likely unintentionally), but then Apple is also responsible for paying to fix it? I feel like I have to be misunderstanding you because that makes no sense.

What it seems like they're saying is that Apple should operate like a car manufacturer, wherein if you put some aftermarket shite in your engine, you can't get a warranty service, and likewise if you don't do your due diligence with what you put on your PC, Apple should be able to deny service.

While perfectly fair, it would still lead to unhappy customers, which aren't exactly known to be receptive to reason.

While I may not always agree with Apple's approach I can understand their reasoning and don't believe that it simply comes down to earning a few extra bucks with the 30% cut in question and all the seemingly drastic measures that come with it.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by dkersten »

sequoia wrote: post #967
dkersten wrote: post #927

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> a highschooler offers to have sex with him and he just figured, what, she was caught up in the heat of passion? No, I meant he might have been caught up in the moment and ignore his better judgement. Also, I dunno about you, but I iften find it very dificult to tell the difference between a somewhat mature looking highscooler and someone who is 19 — 21 ish. Of course, I also don’t have sex with people in that age g…

Agreed that people shouldn't have twisted his words, and agreed that his comments were, at least from a very technical read, not inappropriate. To be honest you've changed my mind a bit here & I'm a bit more on RMS's side now. Agreed that a witch-hunt was in progress, which caught some "actual witches" and lots of others along the way. But from an optics perspective, ffs why would you defend an Epstein associate & fe…

I completely agree. RMS clearly has trouble knowing when something is or isn’t appropriate.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by pouta »

askl56 wrote: post #89
0x402DF854 wrote: post #23

From a preliminary statement of Epic's motion: > Just over two weeks ago, Apple’s CEO Tim Cook was asked during a Congressional hearing whether Apple has “ever retaliated against or disadvantaged a developer who went public about their frustrations with the App Store”. Mr. Cook testified, “We do not retaliate or bully people. It’s strongly against our company culture.”

https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1295434558112960519?s=21 This may have consequences for Unreal Engine too. Without a dev account, how can they maintain it?

Slasher isn't and never will be a trusted source.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by manigandham »

lolsal wrote: post #935
Tepix wrote: post #878

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Even if Apple allows people to install apps on their phone bypassing the official app store, noone is forcing you to do it on your phone. Your phone's security will not be compromised by adding an extra optional feature.

You're right, but that fundamentally changes how I look at apps on my iPhone and my device or the ecosystem as a whole. Right now, any app icon I see on my phone, or any Apple device, I implicitly trust, because I have outsourced my trust to a corporation. This does not mean there are not scummy/weaselly apps out there (tiktok/Facebook/etc. for example). Like root certificates, you have to trust someone, at some poin…

How is it eroded at all if you don't install or use those apps? What changes?

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by manigandham »

efreak wrote: post #948
totetsu wrote: post #821

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you can handily block the points element(And the log out button!) at the top with ABP element picker.

I use an app for HN, and it doesn't show me points. I've never cared enough to check and see if I can make it do so. Similarly, I've never bothered to check and see if I have the capability to downvote, which it also isn't showing me, because it's rare enough that I want to do so that I just don't bother.

You need 500 points before you can downvote. You don't have 500 points yet.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by strbean »

nxc18 wrote: post #684
strbean wrote: post #529

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How many kids with iPhones will now insist that their next phone be Android so they can play Forkknife? This could genuinely make a dent in the iPhone's market share long term. edit: Count on the irrational fanbois to deliver drive-by downvotes!

You’re getting downvoted because those kids with iPhones talk to kids with google phones and would know that Fortnight isn’t available there either, because Epic is also starting shit with Google simultaneously. Edit: also it’s in bad taste to discuss downvotes on HN

See cma's comment. In fact, they already are doing this. Google "Fortnite Android" and you get a page directing you to http://fortnite.com/android and get the APK.

So that doesn't sound like a legitimate reason. And if it was, the intellectually honest thing to do would be to reply pointing that out. That would allow them to be corrected.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by nodamage »

threeseed wrote: post #689
mantap wrote: post #579

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It's possible for one action to violate the terms in multiple ways. They probably mean the following two: 1) not giving Apple their 30% 2) publishing code without prior approval by Apple

I don't think you understand how the App Store works. You simply can't pay Apple the 30% cut nor can you publish apps without Apple approving it. So it's impossible for a company to violate either of those.

Not sure why you think it is impossible when Epic literally did it. They hid the payment infrastructure in the version of the app that went through review, therefore it wasn't rejected during review. Then after it was approved, they enabled it it via a server side mechanism.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by nodamage »

danudey wrote: post #957
saagarjha wrote: post #886

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You can’t use Apple’s developer tools, period.

You absolutely can use Apple's developer tools without a developer account, and you absolutely can build and run code on a device without a developer account. I'm not sure why Epic claimed otherwise (other than that losing their developer account makes it far more inconvenient ), but it's really just fearmongering to try to get the public on their side.

Just because you're physically able to download, install, and run something doesn't mean you have the legal right to use it. The developer tools come with a license agreement in which Apple legally grants you the rights to use the tools, and those rights can be revoked.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by nodamage »

woofie11 wrote: post #156
ArchOversight wrote: post #103

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This isn't retaliation though for Epic going on Twitter and being angry about the App Store practices, or the situation like Hey where the was a lot of press and negativity. Epic breached the terms of the agreement for their app, so their app was removed from the App Store. Other than needing to fix their app to no longer be in violation of the guidelines, they could have cured that breach of the contract. Instead Ep…

A one-sided agreement containing a retaliation clause, followed by exercising that clause, is retaliation. Say you're desperate and need water in a crisis, and I offer you some, but only if you sign an agreement which gives you water, but says I can punch you in the face whenever you say something I don't like. Say you say something I don't like, and I punch you in the face. Did I just retaliate? Or did the contract…

It is really bizarre to think that language in a contract that says "if you break the agreement, the rest of the agreement terminates" is one-sided or retaliation when it's included in basically every contract ever written.

Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th

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Post by kbutler »

enos_feedler wrote: post #964
kbutler wrote: post #665

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Is John Deere the curator of the "tractor" product, so they have every right to determine who can repair it? Is Chamberlain the curator of the garage door opener product, so they can determine what remotes can be used? You may prefer a world where DRM and the DMCA can be leveraged beyond preventing copying to constrain consumer choice, but I consider that a poorer and less innovative world. https://www.eff.org/wp/uni…

Great, there is a phone for you. It's based on Android.

What would my freedom to step outside the walled garden on my iOS device take away from your curated experience?
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