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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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I’ve seen a lot of comments similar to “I don’t understand how users can be in favor of this”. I’m not just in favor, I love that they do that. Yes, for the small percentage of the population that knows what’s doing (which nicely overlaps with HN), having freedom to install whatever you choose is great. For >90% of the population it isn’t. Even with all of the improvements Windows has seen, for me it’s still a regula…

That's not true. Being limited in what you can do with your properties is never a blessing. Hammers are dangerous yet they are sold in supermarkets. Hell, in US even guns are sold in supermarkets so that kids can kill other kids at school and nobody stops them and we are arguing about installing apps on a phone? Apple could make it clear that it's risky and that would be it. The rhetoric of the "old parents that can'…

> Hell, in US even guns are sold in supermarkets so that kids can kill other kids at school and nobody stops them

How well is that working for you?

> The rhetoric of the "old parents that can't help themselves" is wrong and most of all agist.

A lot of the family I was referring to is not only younger than me, they’re digital natives. Guess what, most computers from 15yo are full to the brim of malware. Even supposedly techie kids fall for things like Byte Defender (as opposed to Bit defender).

My car auto-brakes when it detects a static object ahead. You could say my car limits my freedom to drive at 80km/h towards a wall. It’s a welcome limit.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

#982

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Maybe because historically the developer industry has shown that some bad actors can ruin it for everyone? That maybe the App store review process is to benefit ME, as an Apple customer? I WANT a curated App store, simply because I? CANT trust any random app downloaded onto my phone. I pay Apple for that service. Apple App Store customers are NOT blind sheeple afraid of freedom; I am NOT interested in having a phone…

Believe me, we got it. All developers are scummy and trying to make a living without paying 30% of your earnings to the platform is just too much to ask. Even though YOU purchased the device YOU don't want to be able to run any and all applications, even when YOU might really really want to, full stop. Apple should own what YOU can do on your device, and since YOU said it, EVERYONE should just agree to it.

Why are Android users trying to make demands? You are never going to be Apple users.

Heck, do one better and install Ubuntu mobile.

A few of us see the road of fragmentation and shady businesses and currently trust one company, Apple.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

#983

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I might be mistaken, but wasn't this the policy Apple had since the beginning of AppStore? Every developer and user knew from the beginning what they are getting into. With Windows it is different, no? It would be a drastic change to a product, which operated differently at the beginning.

Yes, the fee has been there since the beginning, if you use their payment system. I think the new and problematic policy is that they now - forbid you to use other payment systems than their own - forbid you to just add the 30% to your price on iOS compared to other platforms - forbid you to mention to the user that they can pay on the company's website or through other channels Also their own product's don't have to…

>- forbid you to just add the 30% to your price on iOS compared to other platforms

But google does exactly that for their Youtube Premium(and Youtube music). I'm sure this isn't prohibited.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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> You have the legal right to jailbreak your phone and install whatever you want; neither Apple nor the Feds can stop you. The law isn’t that simple, and even if it was, Apple does stop most people from jailbreaking most Apple devices most of the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking#Digital_Mille...

In the United States, the law is that simple.

Did you read the link I posted?

> The jailbreaking of smartphones continued to be legal "where circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling interoperability of [lawfully obtained software] applications with computer programs on the telephone handset." However, the U.S. Copyright office refused to extend this exemption to tablets, such as iPads, arguing that the term "tablets" is broad and ill-defined, and an exemption to this class of devices could have unintended side effects.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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That's not true. Being limited in what you can do with your properties is never a blessing. Hammers are dangerous yet they are sold in supermarkets. Hell, in US even guns are sold in supermarkets so that kids can kill other kids at school and nobody stops them and we are arguing about installing apps on a phone? Apple could make it clear that it's risky and that would be it. The rhetoric of the "old parents that can'…

> Hell, in US even guns are sold in supermarkets so that kids can kill other kids at school and nobody stops them How well is that working for you? > The rhetoric of the "old parents that can't help themselves" is wrong and most of all agist. A lot of the family I was referring to is not only younger than me, they’re digital natives . Guess what, most computers from 15yo are full to the brim of malware. Even supposed…

> How well is that working for you?

I'm Italian, so it's working quite good thanks, we don't sell guns to kids.

And we are very careful when we sell them to adults.

That's why we have an homicide rate ten times lower than the US 0.6/100k VS 6/100k

Prevention and correct education do miracles, even in absence of a helicopter father - Apple, if it wasn't clear - that prevents you from doing anything, out of fear you could have too much freedom.

Gunning in US is a cultural problem, not a technical one.

DO you think the solution is controlling the market or making guns safer?

Apple tells you that their guns are safer (without any real proof), but they won't stop selling them.

It's hypocrisy at its best.

To be fair, Apple devices are considered more secure only because the Android market is so large and fragmented that they can compare the numbers of exploit targeting the last couple versions of iOS with the entire Android ecosystem which includes older versions and a large number of users that skipped OS updates

But that's a feature if you ask me, you are not forced to update to keep using the device.

If you compare Apple devices with equivalent Android devices (for example high end Samsungs) you will notice little or no difference.

Of course a 50$ device is much more at risk of being compromised.

The only counterproof would be installing iOS on those devices and see how it reacts.

But we will never know...

> most computers from 15yo are full to the brim of malware.

That's a very moot point, I guess you never had a light car accident or slipped on a wet floor.

Should we lock you in your room strapped to the bed so that you don't harm yourself?

> My car auto-brakes when it detects a static object ahead

Maybe you shouldn't drive if you can't brake when you see an obstacle.

> You could say my car limits my freedom to drive at 80km/h towards a wall

It does, in a way.

But

1) you can disable it, there is __always__ an off switch for those kind of aids. Always! Can I disable Apple "protections"?

2) You are allowed to drive a car without self breaking technologies and the car have to work even if self-breaking stops working or you disable it or you completely remove it. It's you right, nobody will take the car away from you and the car will keep working without it. It__has to__ by the law.

3) as much as I love hyperboles, installing an app is hardly a life-threatening activity.

4) thank god cars have to pass very strict safety requirements, so a Tesla might be better in terms of performance than a Renault Zoe, but in terms of safety and interoperability they have to be equivalent. Apple is like a car manufacturer that uses a non standard charger, forces clients to charge their cars using Apple approved charging stations, the charging stations have to pay for the chargers and give a 30% cut on any charge to Apple, while Apple says it's best for customers because their electric current is safer.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

#986

It's not Apple vs. Fortnite. It's actually Apple vs. Users. Apple has been taking us for a ride this whole time. We pay damn much and buy the phone. It is the user's property from then on. What the user install's and uninstall's from his phone should be his decision. Taking a cut of say, 3%, to keep the app store running is forgivable. But 30% digging into users pocket is unpardonable. Apple is no longer the underdog…

uh. they banned a video game. death of a country? dramatic much?

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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regulation is not the answer. The market aka the consumer will solve this on its own.

I like to think that this would be resolved by the market, but if that were the case, why hasn’t It happened. Apple has been acting this way for 12 years. They haven’t changed their tune. The singular real market alternative is android, which still suffers from fragmentation issues. Microsoft, one of the most powerful companies in the world, couldn’t make their option work. Amazon, one of the most powerful companies…

If any of those products were truly better we would be using them today. I’m not saying apples 30% take isn’t BS, what I am saying is that if enough of us tell Apple to go F themselves, I.e. what FN is doing, they will be forced to change without the government stepping into our lives. It’s basic free-market economics...

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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regulation is not the answer. The market aka the consumer will solve this on its own.

regulation is what allows consumers the opportunity to make decisions for themselves. otherwise, we'd all still be using internet explorer

That is so perverted on so many levels. Tech is the last real free-market, we need to keep regulation away as much as we can. We are the last bastion of Adam Smiths economy...

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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regulation is not the answer. The market aka the consumer will solve this on its own.

So you believe in anarchy? You don't believe in any regulation? It sounds a bit naive.

I believe in as little government regulation as we need to keep this country from imploding, but just enough to make us the #1 country in the world (w/e that means)

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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You could argue about Apple's rights, or citizens' free speech rights, or consumer rights, under existing law. It would be an interesting discussion because I think it's a lot more complicated an issue that most people appreciate. But really why not talk about how we think things should work on platforms like iOS? What should the law be? What protects essential human rights, encourages creativity, and allows business…

You have both the right and possibility to install whatever software you want on an iPhone and Apple can’t stop you. Many tinkeres play around with this. But that’s not what your actually talking about, you feel that Apple should be forced to make that easy and to support it to the point where it’s as easy as staying in their managed ecosystem, which is something entirely different.

It’s like people complaining that you can’t change the battery in a iPhone and saying that it infringes on their rights, but of cause you can actually replace it, it’s just difficult, not impossible. But Apple will void warranty on diy repairs, but is that really such a bad thing? Why should they psi if I screw up my repair of the product?

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