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Post by dr-detroit »

Tenoke wrote: post #321
javajosh wrote: post #310

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Maybe. But there's probably a business model out there this is simply a Twitter clone that waits for the Trump account to move there, and bang, instant success.

There is and they (Gab) get an okay number of likes on every one of his posts promoting it. [0] Also Facebook is now well positioned to be his next platform if he moves off twitter. 0. https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1266347307391488002

Facebook banned epoch times so his financial backers wouldnt allow him to go there

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by wpietri »

illuminated wrote: post #210
wpietri wrote: post #189

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Yeah, the whole reason we have public education is that democracy requires a knowledgeable voter base. When social media companies were just starting out, I get why they weren't fretting about societal effects. But even if we go by business metrics, a collapse of democracy would probably be bad for their businesses. It's past time for social media companies to take responsibility for their negative externalities. And…

Yeah, there's a difference between educated and knowledgeable. But I don;t agree on the reason of existence of the public education system - its not about the voter base, it's about improving not only yourself, but the society as well (as improving society secures in a way improvement of you and your offspring). I don't find social media companies responsible for the user generated content, but I do find them respons…

That's a good reason to have public education, of course. But it's a nice-to-have. Democracy cannot function without educated voters.

Agreed for sure on the second point. They turned everybody into publishers with global reach and still haven't really thought about what previous publishers did to make sure that power was used responsibly.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by rco8786 »

azalemeth wrote: post #921
rco8786 wrote: post #897

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> Every day 100k tweets are sent When I worked there we handled about ~6k tweets/sec all day every day. (~500,000,000 tweets/day)

What database did you use?

It was just* MySQL for a lot longer than you might imagine. They were switching over to Manhattan (in-house DB, similar to FB's Cassandra) when I left, dunno the current state of affairs.

* highly customized and sharded, required team of senior MySQL DBAs to maintain, but still just MySQL.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by belorn »

tripzilch wrote: post #969
75dvtwin wrote: post #948

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Useful to know that this specific selective application of editorial bias by Twitter, was after Trump's executive order [1] on preventing online censorship of free speech. >"... Twitter now selectively decides to place a warning label on certain tweets in a manner that clearly reflects political bias. As has been reported, Twitter seems never to have placed such a label on another politician’s tweet. .." When a car m…

How is this "political bias"? Is everything that disagrees with Trump now "political bias"? I'm not even from the US and I know what "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" means and what outcome it envisions. > When twitter manufactures opinions and hides them as 'public forum discourse' -- we are supposed to be ok with that? What are these opinions? Can you speak them out loud? Which opinions are being hidde…

The outcome was clear the moment a president mentioned the use of the national guard in dealing with demonstrations.

Using the military to quell civil unrest means people getting shot. Last time in 1992 on the order of George HW Bush, the resulted was 50 dead and 2000 injured.

Unless a person is talking about using the military to assist with natural disasters, the person is envisioning the violence of "when the looting starts, the shooting starts".

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Post by prieslo »

sethhochberg wrote: post #477
pnako wrote: post #436

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If the lies are obvious, why do they need "fact checking"?

Because, for better or worse, the sources of truth that normal people historically relied on for their barometer of what is true or not have been democratized by the internet. We live in a world where a substantial number of people believe the earth is flat, that 5G cellular is a mind control scheme, that vaccines cause autism, that COVID-19 was created by a political party, that the concept of climate change is manu…

Conspiracy theory-type ideas are a threat, but I just want to add on that many partial truths or inaccuracies or falsehoods appealing to biases spread even more easily too. Depending on your side of the debate, you can make well-cited cases for or against minimum wage increasing unemployment, or immigration lowering wages. I haven't researched, but I bet mail-voting fraud too. To the point where the real truth isn't even clear, but people don't recognize the uncertainty.

I'm not sure if this ever hasn't been an issue, but it kinda comes to the heart of fact-checking. I think treating the kinds of falsehoods that get spread online as just obvious conspiracy-theories by nutjobs puts your guard down for things that sound and feel right, but are wrong.

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Post by zapita »

dang wrote: post #964
zapita wrote: post #805

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> However, I'm half expecting them to ban him about twelve seconds after he leaves office. At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point), and how that scenario affects their bottom line. They probably don’t want US institutions to dissolve into full-blown autocracy... But on the other hand, if that were to happen, then it would…

You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly lately. That's not cool. Emotions are inflamed right now, and that makes it more important, not less, to follow these rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Yes, it appears that I have.

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Post by bertil »

dmoy wrote: post #801
meheleventyone wrote: post #736

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Isn't it a long standing thing that the US Military use of force rules in warzones are generally more restrictive than the policies for use on their fellow citizens by police back home?

Yes One obvious example of this is simply ammo. Military bullets don't expand as much as bullets available to cops or civilians. A military bullet is explicitly not allowed to be an expanding hollow point which really messes you up. There are all sorts of international agreements on not using certain types of things in war - types of bullets are no exception.

My understanding was that hollow point bullets allow the shooter to hurt someone without risking the lives of the people behind them. Not hurting “people just behind [your enemy]” is presumably less a concern in a war zone (than in a civilian setting) because they are presumed brothers in arms.

Did I understand that right?

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Post by fareesh »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #947
fareesh wrote: post #825

Amusingly it looks like Twitter's report system contradicts the hiding by saying there's nothing wrong with the tweet: https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1266452015493906435 President Trump has also clarified his remarks, which is a welcome move.

If I’m reading that correctly, it’s a completely misleading assertion by @WhiteHouse. It appears as though this is in response to the quote of the original that was also reported. Given that the quote is adding a comment on to the original text, their ruling makes sense to me. That said, it looks like they’ve hidden it as well now. So maybe they see it as an attempt to circumvent the TOS and are treating it the same…

A plain non-technical reading of the email from Twitter doesn't describe the structure you're suggesting - so it's possible that Twitter's email template is not properly rendering the structure of the tweets.

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Post by busymom0 »

myvoiceismypass wrote: post #336
devtul wrote: post #316

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Is the POTUS clearly inciting violence or is it another instance of people having a wild interpretation of what he said? I'm so tired of this dynamic that I don't even bother anymore.

The guy who openly called for police to rough people up in the past does not get the benefit of the doubt here. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/28/donald-trump...

You do know that he was talking about MS13 gang members who had murdered people. People need to stop reading media spins and watch actual full un-edited footage.

EDIT: Oh look, downvote brigade has arrived.

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Post by busymom0 »

pfkurtz wrote: post #492
koheripbal wrote: post #445

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...where "fascist" is defined as: "anyone who disagrees with me".

Nope. Where it's defined as people enacting or cheering right wing authoritarian destruction of democratic society. Like the supporters of Donald Trump.

So the person who literally defends the right of citizens to be armed to defend themselves and right for their speech is an authoritarian destructor? Man I used to think HN consisted of intellectuals with more logic. I guess I was wrong.

EDIT: Oh look, downvote brigade has arrived.

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