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Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by jaredklewis » Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 6:04 PM UTC

bruxis wrote: post #874

ksec wrote: post #854

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse…

I'm not sure why you cite Japan as an outlier regarding size preferences and smaller-than-average hand sizes, which I generally do not believe to be true and could not find any hard data to cite (source: I live there). Regardless, the iPhone SE did not sell _as_ well in Japan due to a variety of factors, not the least of which being that the iPhone 7 introduced built-in Suica support. Suica is a mobile cash card tech…

> I'm not sure why you cite Japan as an outlier regarding size preferences and smaller-than-average hand sizes, which I generally do not believe to be true and could not find any hard data to cite (source: I live there).

Human hand size is proportional to height across races, and average height in Japan for male and female is several centimeters shorter than in other markets like the US and Europe. So it would be surprising if the average Japanese hand size was not smaller than the average hand size in US or Europe.

Of course, I have no idea whether that difference would be enough to affect smartphone size preferences.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by ferdbold » Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 7:27 PM UTC

bscphil wrote: post #803

PopeDotNinja wrote: post #756

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I miss my old Nexus 4. That was a great size.

I've said it here before many times - the Nexus 4 was nearly the perfect phone in every way and was the best Android phone ever made. Literally all I want in a phone is the Nexus 4 with software updated forever. Hell, you don't even need to upgrade the hardware, the 720p screen is fine. Just make the battery replaceable and you'd never need a new phone if manufacturers would commit to long term support. That said, im…

As much as I loved my Nexus 4, there's no denying its camera and battery were quite poor. I wouldn't call it the best phone ever made, even at its time

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by gigatexal » Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 7:30 PM UTC

That’s a whole lot of hardware for 399. Android handset makers are likely going to be upset with Apple moving downmarket with a chip that will run circles around what they have to offer.

Honestly I should have gotten one of these instead of my 11 pro. My 11 pro is just too much phone.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by rconti » Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 8:17 PM UTC

fomine3 wrote: post #896

ksec wrote: post #854

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse…

It's important that we can't buy smaller good smartphones even if we want. In addition, recently smartphone's screen is getting bigger without expanding the body. AQUOS R2 compact is smaller device but has 5.2 inch screen.

This makes it sound like you're complaining that the screens are still getting larger even if the devices aren't?

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by p1necone » Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 9:44 PM UTC

tandr wrote: post #668

kayoone wrote: post #657

I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone…

> have fantastic battery life But still less than a batter life of a phone. Running out of juice on them after a while become like a constant self-inflicting anxiety attack, with semi permanent jumps between "Should I plug them now in case I have to have it later" and "I like this song/track/mix, I will listen to it". IMHO, YMMV

Yeah, all the bluetooth headphones I know of have to be charged after a day or so of usage - I wouldn't call that fantastic.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by Sangeppato » Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 11:57 PM UTC

sundvor wrote: post #911

justinator wrote: post #858

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. I'm surprised about 1100+ comments, since this is, you know: just another phone

Yeah the Samsung S20 Ultra barely scored a mention. My 512GB model features 16GB of memory, and a staggeringly beautiful display. Not to mention that camera.. But hey, it's Apple, so everyone is going nuts.

16GB of RAM and still it will stop receiving major SW updates within a couple of years. This is where iPhones really shines, even Google is crap in comparison, and I say this as an Android user (never owned an iPhone)

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by fomine3 » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 12:10 AM UTC

wodenokoto wrote: post #948

ksec wrote: post #854

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse…

> Japan, the nation which prefer single handed usage and small size Smartphone Do you have a source for that, or do you just expect them to want small phones because of small hands? The rest of Asia are the front runners of large smart phones, so I don't see the small hands thing being relevant to phone sizes. To my recollection, phones have always been pretty big in Japan. When I first visited in 2006 I asked my Jap…

"Large" phones in 2006 is too small in 2020.

Most Japanese people uses Flick input rather than Qwerty. Flick input is not getting benefits(or getting bad) from larger screen, unlike Qwerty.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by mantap » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 1:45 AM UTC

ksec wrote: post #854

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse…

FaceID is dead until a coronavirus vaccine is developed.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by proverbialbunny » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 4:09 AM UTC

ken wrote: post #574

youeseh wrote: post #29

If the new one would have kept the design of the old one but added a full screen and updated cameras - that would have been perfect. I get the feeling that I'm part of a large niche with whom the old iPhoneSE saw success by accident.

> success by accident Sadly, it doesn't seem to be uncommon for a company (even Apple) to hit a home run and not understand why it was so successful. And then they're unable to follow up on it. HyperCard still appears in top-10 lists of "greatest software ever" -- and it's usually the only one which is no longer maintained and doesn't have a modern equivalent.

Steve Jobs was strongly adamant about the size of the iphone.

Likewise, Steve Jobs saw hypercard as the future, wanting it to sync up online between people, being like the future newspaper. It's no longer maintained because it's modern equivalent is a web browser. When Steve came back to Apple he pushed hard for advancing web tech instead.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by proverbialbunny » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 4:29 AM UTC

werber wrote: post #287

I haven't felt like Apple has been making products for me recently until the Macbook Air release and now this. Sane price points, and the exact features I need. Not sure what changed over there, but I'm really impressed.

I have a strong suspicion it's come from user surveys, and is tied to data science or analytics.

Sales were down and the butterfly keyboard caused so much complaining it was impossible for Apple to not eventually take note.

If people are complaining and sales are down, the reasonable solution is to listen to your customer. They've done it for every product as of late, like the new Macbook Pro, the new Mac Pro, and while the Apple SE is more a budget project so it may have been inevitable for it to turn out this way, the iPhone 12 is supposed to be smaller, much closer to the iPhone SE.