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Petroleum is literally exhibit number one of the failures of ruthless capitalism in that its negative externalities have led to the possibly irreversible destruction of our climate. This is not a good start to your argument. > Or a "guaranteed public option"? Or is the idea to have more of a "centrally planned" housing market, where the means of production^W^W^Whousing stock is owned by The People but decisions about…
Oh really? I didnt realize it was the petroleum companies who forced people to buy petroleum and not the fact that fossil fuel based transit and energy is technologically superior and easier than any alternative.
California Approves Statewide Rent Control
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#982Earlier quoted context omitted.
You need to exaggerate less. The maximum rent increase rate is 60% of the trailing twelve months CPI in the bay area. But landlords’ costs do not scale with the CPI. Mortgage rates are fixed (if a landlord has a mortgage at all), taxes are independent of CPI, and principal+interest+taxes are the vast majority of a landlord’s expenses. Maintenance is typically a small fraction of that number. Landlords are not obligat…
Exaggerate? I said it was 60% of CPI and it is. Yes, the mortgage is likely fixed, but expenses such as maintenance and other associated costs are not - renovation cost have gone through the roof the last 10 years. Maintenance is generally 1% of the value of the building, so in SF that can be tens of thousands per year. No, landlords are not obligated to pay heat or water (I never said that!), but many buildings (all…
Math lesson: If my mortgage is $X (which I more than cover with my rents, since to do otherwise would indicate that I am a phenomenally stupid real estate investor), and I pay .05X per year in maintenance, the total annual increase in costs is currently CPI x .05 x X.
I don’t know if you noticed this while you were becoming an expert on SF landlord tenant laws, but 0.6 x CPI x X is bigger than that number. The annual increase in rent is literally 12x larger than the thing you’re complaining about. Room left over for taxes and evil, deadbeat babies, even.
In other words: as long as maintenance, water, taxes remain a small percentage of the mortgage+principal, the allowable rent increases more than cover the inflated costs. It’s almost like they designed the law that way!
Again: you’re just trying to find reasons to justify your opinion, and you’ve done a bang-up job of demonstrating what I originally wrote: people irrationally demonize rent control in SF.
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#983Earlier quoted context omitted.
At a basic level I would not have any issues with these laws if they also limited expenses. In other words, if you are going to use force to limit income then landlords ought to have the right to limit expenses proportionately. For example, make tenants responsible for wear and tear on the property, just like you pay for mileage on a rental car and are responsible for damages. As it is, they are using force to limit…
No one should own 10, 20, or 100 units of housing. When people finally realize that, there will be hell to pay.
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Rent control that permanently keeps units below market price is devastating for lower-income people. Rent control that simply smooths out price increases, and loses landlords perhaps a year of the new price during sudden spikes, is pretty innocuous. > No. It doesn't 'incentivize', it mandates. Well, they always have the option of not keeping up with market-rate increases. Not that I think anyone will take that option…
>Rent control that simply smooths out price increases, and loses landlords perhaps a year of the new price during sudden spikes, is pretty innocuous. Says who? You're just making things up now. >they always have the option of not keeping up with market-rate increases. Not that I think anyone will take that option. No you're just distorting words. Rent-control is a mandate. Saying it isn't a mandate because you can ju…
The "housing crunch" is a very general term; the specific symptom addressed by this bill is drastic increases of rent on, for example, a change of ownership of a building. See https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-05/how-cali..., which has actual references to advocates of the bill.
> Supporters of the measure have pitched it as a way to prevent sudden increases in rents at levels that could drive people from their homes as the state experiences a surge in housing costs.
Assembly members in favor of the bill talked about "providing certainty", not about keeping prices low.
Also "some fictional landlord spiking rent for fictional renters"? The article I linked describes sudden increases to rents during changes in local housing markets:
> In Boyle Heights, apartments without rent controls saw rents increase from a median $1,200 a month to $1,700 between 2016 and 2017.
The OP references this area:
> Sandra Zamora, a 27-year-old preschool teacher, lives in a one-bedroom apartment in Menlo Park, Calif., a short drive from Facebook’s expanding headquarters. A year ago, Ms. Zamora’s building got a new owner, and the rent jumped to $1,900 from $1,100, a rise of over 70 percent. Most of her neighbors left. Ms. Zamora stayed, adding a roommate to the 600-square-foot space and taking a weekend job as a barista.
This rent control bill would force the new owner to spread that increase over several years.
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Why do people NEED to work in san francisco/LA? You may think you're contributing something valuable being a barista or adjunct ethnic studies professor in the Bay Area but if you can't survive there maybe the others don't agree. Move to a house bigger than a shoebox with less traffic, less filth, and less crazy politicians, and lower costs. Whats the hangup? I don't understand these people who watched pirates of sil…
You are right that it is a bit weird and hard to understand why productivity differs so much. But that labour productivity (eg measured in salaries the market can bear) differs so much is a fact. Whether we like it or not. That puzzle is mostly about productivity differences for tech workers. For the baristas in the Bay Area relatively standard explanations like the Baumol effect do most of the explanatory work.
This has nothing to do with people that think they deserve to work there (which I frankly don't get what the big deal is, you're not a teenager scoping out the best colleges anymore) but obviously the marketplace disagrees.
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#986Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No surprise there’s so many homeless people. Pretty sure rent controls would have no effect on the amount of substance abuse and mental illness that plagues so many homeless.
Yeah sure. Let’s blame it on the drugs and the mental health it’s easier right?
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#987Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh really? I didnt realize it was the petroleum companies who forced people to buy petroleum and not the fact that fossil fuel based transit and energy is technologically superior and easier than any alternative.
The concept of negative externalities just completely flew over your head.
Demand for petroleum is not explained by capitalism, but rather by humanity's collective laziness
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I would argue the core issue is actually overpopulation (or in the case of California too many people wanting to live there but also trying to balance preservation of Nature). And it's certainly much more acute in California. Tokyo is not a desirable way to live, but neither are the suburbs. Too many people means the density gets too high, and poor zoning regulation and poor building incentives get us mcmansions. Eve…
Tokyo is a fantastic city, I spent two weeks there and loved it. It is extremely clean and safe, loads of good restaurants and entertainment, and good outdoor spaces. If I could speak the language and work there, I would move in a second. California is in no danger of being overpopulated... The issue is as you say - single family homes are a brain dead way to live. Every homeowner has to spend hours a day maintaining…
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#989I am a landlord in Oregon, but not California. The curious, although ultimately predictable, outcome of the new rent control measure in Oregon is that while I have historically had an arrangement with my property management to be restrained in annual rent increases, they are now advising a default annual increase of the maximum allowed (7 percent before inflation). This is because larger adjustments cannot be made if…
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> low interest rates means people can borrow more, so house prices go up. Sure, but they go up by the amount of money you saved on the mortgage, the net price is the same. The amount homebuyers can afford to pay doesn't change with interest rates.
> The amount homebuyers can afford to pay doesn't change with interest rates. The amount people can afford to pay doesn't change, but the cost of the house does change. Assume a 30 year mortgage. If the interest rate is 2%, and I spend 1.5k a month on my mortgage, I can afford a mortgage of 406,000 and own the home at the end. However, if interest rates are 10%, even if I'm still earning 1.5k a month, I can only affo…