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Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by truth_seeker »

techntoke wrote: post #975
truth_seeker wrote: post #882

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So what ? It gives me optimum performance Desktop and Mobile. On my Mac its upto 2 times faster and in my android phone it's upto 4 times faster.

Using Brave will provide no benefit regarding the extension changes you are mentioning, unless Brave forks and stays on an older version of Chromium. Where are you seeing speed enhancements? When it comes to loading pages, or in task manager?

Yes. Page loading is faster in Brave

It's even more faster in case if site is full of ads and internet connection is slow.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by atombender »

konart wrote: post #534
jwr wrote: post #161

I don't understand why Mac users use Chrome. Safari seems to be out of fashion: people just assume that it should not be used for some reason, even though it is actually a great browser. I use Safari for both my own browsing and for development (a fairly large ClojureScript application), and it is by far the best browser on the platform by all measures (speed first and foremost). The only place where Safari falls sho…

Extensions. Safari has almost none of them and I need them. And not just uBO. I have 10+ of them install and I'd say 8 of them are mandatory for me. I don't care about Safari being the fastest or battery life. Also dev tools are so much better in Fx and Chrome...

I don't understand why people are use the same browser for browsing and development.

I use Chrome for development. It has lots of helpful extensions, like the React and Redux devtools, extensions for cookie editing, screen measuring, JSON formatting and so on. I often need to forcibly restart tabs (or the entire browser) due to misbehaving devtools, so it's great having a dedicated browser for it. Same goes for cookies and local storage state. It's completely separate.

I use Safari as a browser. I has the basic extensions (adblocker, etc.) that I need personally. Its development tools are terrible, but that's okay — I only use them in the very rare case where a rendering/JS problem only shows in Safari.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by chx »

mappu wrote: post #898
chx wrote: post #871

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> It used to be even better before the mass murder of the now-called "legacy" extensions, I can't even switch because one of the vital extensions for my workflow do not exist any more and the author of the Chrome equivalent doesn't want to port it. (I even offered a little money, I probably can't pay enough for an experienced developer to do the full port.)

> I can't even switch Wait, you haven't had a security update for your browser since 2017?

No, I am running Chrome for a long time now. I use an extension there which doesn't exist for Firefox. An equivalent existed in the old Firefox. I made an attempt at porting it but my JS skills are super meagre.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by latexr »

saagarjha wrote: post #887
latexr wrote: post #740

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That extension has been dead for over a year. For it to work on future macOS versions, the developers would need to convert it to a Safari App Extension and cough up $99/year. They’re not interested.

I don't think you need to pay to develop a Safari App Extension.

You do if you want to sign and publish it.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by latexr »

MultusSalus wrote: post #874
latexr wrote: post #719

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> Doesn't hurt that Firefox is actually a great product. Arguably. On these threads there is always a handful of complaints about the state of Firefox, mostly on macOS. On my machine, I can’t even launch Firefox in headless mode without the fans turning on, which never happened on Chrome. While I haven’t benchmarked it, for normal browsing it does feel slower than Crome. But what kills it for me is their crippled App…

This is a very powerful JS blocking extension I used for a while: https://jsblocker.toggleable.com/

That extension is deprecated.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by latexr »

fouc wrote: post #832
latexr wrote: post #719

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> Doesn't hurt that Firefox is actually a great product. Arguably. On these threads there is always a handful of complaints about the state of Firefox, mostly on macOS. On my machine, I can’t even launch Firefox in headless mode without the fans turning on, which never happened on Chrome. While I haven’t benchmarked it, for normal browsing it does feel slower than Crome. But what kills it for me is their crippled App…

Can you tell me more about what you mean by "browser control" ? What are you wanting to do with automator & firefox?

At the very least grab the URL and title of the frontmost tab. Firefox can’t even do that without finicky GUI automation (i.e. faking key presses).

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by latexr »

eitland wrote: post #941
latexr wrote: post #719

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> Doesn't hurt that Firefox is actually a great product. Arguably. On these threads there is always a handful of complaints about the state of Firefox, mostly on macOS. On my machine, I can’t even launch Firefox in headless mode without the fans turning on, which never happened on Chrome. While I haven’t benchmarked it, for normal browsing it does feel slower than Crome. But what kills it for me is their crippled App…

Anything Google related running in that Firefox? (Seems like a stupid question since it also happens in headless.)

Only Google-owned website I open is Youtube, and even that I don’t use in the browser (I redirect the URL to mpv).

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by latexr »

snek wrote: post #856
latexr wrote: post #719

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> Doesn't hurt that Firefox is actually a great product. Arguably. On these threads there is always a handful of complaints about the state of Firefox, mostly on macOS. On my machine, I can’t even launch Firefox in headless mode without the fans turning on, which never happened on Chrome. While I haven’t benchmarked it, for normal browsing it does feel slower than Crome. But what kills it for me is their crippled App…

I've been using firefox as my daily driver on a 2015 macbook air for the last year. It's been fantastic, not at all slow. I haven't tried to use applescript/automator with it so i can't comment on whether or not that works, but that doesn't seem like the biggest issue for most users, or even most developers.

> I haven't tried to use applescript/automator with it so i can't comment on whether or not that works

It doesn’t. They don’t have a dictionary.

> but that doesn't seem like the biggest issue for most users, or even most developers.

I specifically said (emphasis added):

> But what kills it for me is their crippled AppleScript support.

Though I’m sure I’m not alone, because I have several users (of tools I’ve built that interact with browsers) and fellow developers that share the same complaint.

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by latexr »

om2 wrote: post #937
latexr wrote: post #729

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> The only place where Safari falls short is 3D CAD programs Safari has poor controls if you care about privacy and having some modicum of control over the websites you visit. In Chrome we can — on a per-site basis — disable/enable JavaScript; disable/enable cookies (and local storage); allow only some cookies; set which cookies clear on exit. You can also do more, but those are the ones I use. You can do all that wi…

Safari gives you privacy by default without the need to fiddle with controls.

Ostensibly.

Safari guesses what is privacy invading or not, and as such makes mistakes. I appreciate their effort, but I don’t believe it’s good enough.

This month we got reports of browser fingerprinting on iOS that happened via the phone’s gyroscope[1]. There was a way to not be affected: disabling JavaScript.

[1]: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/iphone_mems_gyrosco...

Re: Switch from Chrome to Firefox

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Post by latexr »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #945
latexr wrote: post #740

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That extension has been dead for over a year. For it to work on future macOS versions, the developers would need to convert it to a Safari App Extension and cough up $99/year. They’re not interested.

It's not the money. The extensions would have to be ported over to Swift or Objective-C. Complete rewrite of what was JS code previously

I seem to recall an issue on Github where they claimed the cost of an Apple Developer Account was a deterrent, but I may be misremembering.
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