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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by samstave »

mikeyouse wrote: post #544
djsumdog wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't explain the photos of the car's aftermath. I mean, it's just as likely people pressured his family to say this (either organized crime or the government .. really the same thing). It's not dying because it's highly suspicious and the narrative doesn't fit, the news reports are conflicting and much of the evidence is gone.

> That doesn't explain the photos of the car's aftermath. Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? I take it you're an experienced crash-scene investigator? How exactly would an accident scene differ if the accident were caused by a CIA-backed exploit vs. your standard high speed crash? > I mean, it's just as likely people pressured his family to say this (either organized crime or the government .. really the same…

OK, so he was a meth user, as are you, he was an alcoholic, as are you, tell me I am wrong.

When did you stop beating your wife on meth while drunk?

When did you stop being a peadophile?

Jesus dude - he was murdered attempting to reveal truth... youre attempting to obfuscate it.

Prove me wrong.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by jwtadvice »

koltaggar wrote: post #840
subroutine wrote: post #792

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Wikileaks could focus its hacking efforts anywhere, so the question is, why Turkey? On 24 November 2015, Turkish F-16 combat aircraft shot down a Russian Su-24 during an airspace dispute close to the Turkish-Syrian border. Russian President Vladimir Putin described the incident as "a stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists" and further stated that "today's tragic events will have significant consequences in…

Point this guy

With the gap of 7 months?

Russia and Turkey at the point of the disclosures were in a rapprochement: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/turkey/2016-07-20/ru...

The result of the disclosures was a weakening of that warming relationship, with Turkey pivoting again in its foreign policy - at least for some short time.

What else has Wikileaks reported on?

The Italian "Hacking Team" - https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/

Saudi Arabian Embassy Cables - https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables

Pirate Bay Court Documents - https://wikileaks.org/gottfrid-docs

Cables from the Assad administration in Syria - https://search.wikileaks.org/syria-files/

Documents from inside Scientology - https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology

Swiss Banking Tax Offshore Scandals - https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Bank_Julius_Baer

His point isn't very compelling for the following reason: instead of taking my argument ("Wikileaks publishes on far more than the US") he took an anecdote decorating my argument ("for example Turkey") and tried to argue the anecdote (poorly).

I'll give him an upvote. Not because I think his argument is really good. But because he contributes to the conversation.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by incompatible »

learc83 wrote: post #858
incompatible wrote: post #674

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Some of us are not USians. I'd say if your goal is to make people elsewhere in the world love the US, then CIA dirty tricks isn't the way to do it. Dirty tricks by other governments wouldn't do much if the US was a genuinely beneficial influence in the world. At the moment it's not so clear that the US is beneficial, with it doing some things that are useful, but which Trump seems to want to eliminate as soon as poss…

The accepted demonym in English is American. I don't go around dictating what inhabitants of other countries are called in their language . In the English speaking world, North and South America are considered 2 separate continent, and the single word American is universally understood to refer to citizens of the United States of America. We have referred to ourselves as American for over 200 hundreds years and we ar…

Well, I'm a programmer and the ambiguity of "America" and "American" disturbs me. Maybe "US American" would be better than USian though, since it matches the name of the country.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by abandonliberty »

badloginagain wrote: post #545
abandonliberty wrote: post #485

It's interesting to note that Julian Assange didn't demonstrate control of the wikileaks private key during his Reddit AMA 1 month ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5n58sm/i_am_julian_as... Considering the political situation unfolding in the US and who this leak weakens, there is some evidence that wikileaks is not in the hands of a neutral party. There is clear motive right now for undermining the CIA. Th…

It absolutely provides the Trump Administration with cassus belli to take punitive measures against the CIA. WikiLeaks appeared to have received the dump quite recently. This is all conjecture, but this could be seen as a 'civil cyber war'. The Executive branch suffers from leaks, followed by an evisceration of the CIA hacking capabilities? Trumps love of the intelligence community is well known, and the scale of the…

This is my hypothesis right now. It was recently reported that the CIA was withholding material from Trump - while the FBI helped him get elected.

People assume this needs mastermind-level capability. It just needs motive and capability. All it takes is one CIA defector or a previously existing plant.

I would think securing inside intel on other government institutions would be pretty standard. How else can you check that they're not compromised by Russians ;)

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by coldtea »

PerfectDlite wrote: post #977
coldtea wrote: post #896

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> Because we don't live in a Disney movie where everyone gets along and lives happily ever after? Do you think if we get rid of CIA the Russians will just disband the FSB? No, but I'm not American, and I know that 80% of the world has been royally fucked over (toppling governments, meddling, dictatorships supported) by the CIA, whereas few have had any issues with FSB (just/mainly their neighboring countries, and not…

> 80% of the world has been royally fucked over (toppling governments, meddling, dictatorships supported) by the CIA, whereas few have had any issues with FSB (just/mainly their neighboring countries, and not the sweetest ones either). I'd ask for sources for this claims... but I'm really afraid for the outcome. If you really believe in all of this... it's extremely disturbing.

I'm not sure what exactly do you have to counter to this. If you really don't know 20th century history, then that would be extremely disturbing.

Of course I don't expect these things to be taught in school history programs there, but come on.

Just some random, well know items one can find within 10 minutes...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d'%C3%A9t...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Indonesia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_...

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_bac...

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/20/mapped-the-7-governments...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_...

http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/cia-releases-files-that-descr...

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by mikeyouse »

samstave wrote: post #981
mikeyouse wrote: post #544

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That doesn't explain the photos of the car's aftermath. Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? I take it you're an experienced crash-scene investigator? How exactly would an accident scene differ if the accident were caused by a CIA-backed exploit vs. your standard high speed crash? > I mean, it's just as likely people pressured his family to say this (either organized crime or the government .. really the same…

OK, so he was a meth user, as are you, he was an alcoholic, as are you, tell me I am wrong. When did you stop beating your wife on meth while drunk? When did you stop being a peadophile? Jesus dude - he was murdered attempting to reveal truth... youre attempting to obfuscate it. Prove me wrong.

> Jesus dude - he was murdered attempting to reveal truth... youre attempting to obfuscate it

His brother John said he wasn't murdered, his other brother also said he wasn't murdered. They would know because they had both flown to Los Angeles to convince him to go to rehab and were there when he died. They would also know because Michael had already crashed a car into a tree while drunk earlier and had become addicted to Ritalin in the past -- which necessitated a stint in inpatient rehab.

His coworkers don't think he was murdered -- they recognized that he was having a manic episode, which is why they called his brothers to come get him help.

His wife doesn't think he was murdered because she knew that he had starting using drugs again.

So literally nobody that personally knew him thinks he was murdered. He had weed and meth in his system when he died, he told his brother that he had been taking DMT, he had a history of manic-depressive episodes and PTSD.

It's possible that he was a brilliant journalist that uncovered serious crimes from connected people and that he was mentally unwell. You should really reconsider your insistence on some grand conspiracy theory. There are times to be skeptical but these lunatics who ignore all evidence to the contrary and call up his family to share their insane speculation are extremely disrespectful.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by mirimir »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #753
alpha_squared wrote: post #603

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For the purpose of devil's advocate in this, I think it's possible to state truths and still be misleading and/or distracting from another narrative. Just because something is true doesn't necessarily explain what the motive is for releasing that information. It's certainly healthy to have at least a shadow of a doubt as to what WikiLeaks's motivations are when it's already shown that it can either restrain itself fr…

Allegedly WL did not release every email they had from the Syria leak. While every email released may be legitimate, the omission of emails pertaining to russia creates a narrative. Wikileaks may be telling the truth but it's far from clear whether they are telling the whole truth. And in between "truth" and "whole truth" there's a lot of room to shape the narrative

It was an unsupported allegation by Daily Dot. See https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-March/03...

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by tlow »

guest wrote: post #769
xapata wrote: post #725

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Perhaps I'm confused, but this seems like a non-sequitur. We're not discussing innovation.

I think the point being made is that the devil's advocate brought out the norm to mobilise for every contingency (not that innovation won't suffer, which is obvious as misstrust rises) and that it can be used to rhetorically balance two points of view that are not equal (or two questionable actions). In general: Ownership of information and facts are key points in the overall discussion here, if something is known it…

I am not always able to fully elucidate my meaning. I never post without a point.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by [deleted] »

guest wrote: post #769
xapata wrote: post #725

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps I'm confused, but this seems like a non-sequitur. We're not discussing innovation.

I think the point being made is that the devil's advocate brought out the norm to mobilise for every contingency (not that innovation won't suffer, which is obvious as misstrust rises) and that it can be used to rhetorically balance two points of view that are not equal (or two questionable actions). In general: Ownership of information and facts are key points in the overall discussion here, if something is known it…

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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by 6nf »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #839
6nf wrote: post #796

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I'm sorry but that thread doesn't debunk this at all

Is there a specific claim there that says to you it isn't debunked?

At the time former US National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism Richard Clarke told The Huffington Post the crash was “consistent with a car cyber attack”.

“There is reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers [know how to remotely seize control of a car],” he said.

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