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Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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> If you really think about it. We only need this wall because of Mexico, so why should we pay if we dont have to? People flee Mexico because it's an extremely poor country with a horrible government and is controlled by drug cartels. Screwing the country over further economically sounds like the worst way to solve this problem. In fact, it seems like a very good way to exacerbate the problem. Perhaps that's why priv…

>> People flee Mexico because it's an extremely poor country with a horrible government and is controlled by drug cartels. Screwing the country over further economically sounds like the worst way to solve this problem. In fact, it seems like a very good way to exacerbate the problem. Mexico can't ever improve while the US continues to steal their despondent youth for low cost landscaping, house painting and wait staf…

>Mexico can't ever improve while the US continues to steal their despondent youth for low cost landscaping, house painting and wait staff.

Their options are working with the cartels or terrible local economy in Mexico, or going to the US to earn drastically more valuable dollars to send home to their families. I mean, we are being immoral by letting them stay here, but they are only so desperate because of how unimaginably damaging the US has been to Mexico. We mess with their government, incentivize them to sell us drugs by having so much demand for them, and exploit their natural resources. If anything, this is why I don't get anyone who thinks its JUST the immigrants fault - why do you think people commit suicide, or would think it's worth it to cross a border where they could be jailed or shot? Hint, it's because the alternative is so much worse. And anyone who is aware of even the tiniest bit of history knows exactly why the alternative is bad.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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so what, then let's offer solutions and try to get them enacted? why all the armchair bitching on this site as if everyone is an expert just because they write code? what he did is nothing short of monumental and he WANTS to help America. If everyone is so damn smart then get involved and suggest changes. It's not like he's a fucking robot that is going to sit back and count how many marble statues he has in his gard…

I understand the sentiment but comments like this detract from the value of this community.

actually I just read the replies and I see quite a few productive ones! just saying...

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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> I have doubts climate change strategies will work at all given how they're partial with lots of noncompliance. Meanwhile, those infrastructure aren't getting much support. Lesser of two evils. Sorry, but once the worst effects of climate change kick in, your infrastructure won't last terribly long at all.

That's my point. I don't think it will. So, let's be comfortable while we can. Also encourage people to try to do something about it but self-interest in short-term seems to prevail on this issue.

Simply saying 'I don't think it will' is to ignore the best science that we have available today. It is a shrug. It does not suffice.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Bookmark some more news sites so you get a wider spectrum. Smaller independent operations (ex: Breitbart, Drudge Report) are less vulnerable to being co-opted or politically motivated. Also, r/The_Donald is has been an excellent aggregate for all things related to the campaign. Also, see Wikileaks to get an idea of how bad the bias/corruption has been in the media (ex: CNN giving HRC questions in advance of debates […

You cite Breitbart as an example of a website that is "less vulnerable to being co-opted or politically motivated." How is that even remotely accurate, considering the Chairman of Breitbart, Steve Bannon, is Trump's campaign chairman?

Fair point, thank-you. That taken into consideration, would you say there is no harm in at least adding Breitbart to the basket of news media sources? Which could also include CNN, who's anchors also could all very well have been candidates for chairman of Clinton's campaign.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Bookmark some more news sites so you get a wider spectrum. Smaller independent operations (ex: Breitbart, Drudge Report) are less vulnerable to being co-opted or politically motivated. Also, r/The_Donald is has been an excellent aggregate for all things related to the campaign. Also, see Wikileaks to get an idea of how bad the bias/corruption has been in the media (ex: CNN giving HRC questions in advance of debates […

I agree with you that much of the mainstream media showed a bias against Trump through this election. (I feel they had very good reasons to be biased against him, but regardless, should have done a better job of keeping the reporting neutral.) That said, Breitbart and Drudge Report are probably the two most well known right-biased sources in existence (aside from the obviously much larger, but less biased, Fox News).…

Thanks for your insights. It seems where we disagree is on your point of Breitbart and Drudge being 'right-biased'. To me they come across as simply more dedicated to reporting the truth and principled in their commitment to reporting said truth regardless of implications or contradictions to the status quo who are often downright misleading and deceitful; this most recent election campaign serving as a magnification of that.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Bookmark some more news sites so you get a wider spectrum. Smaller independent operations (ex: Breitbart, Drudge Report) are less vulnerable to being co-opted or politically motivated. Also, r/The_Donald is has been an excellent aggregate for all things related to the campaign. Also, see Wikileaks to get an idea of how bad the bias/corruption has been in the media (ex: CNN giving HRC questions in advance of debates […

The absence of leaks from the RNC doesn't mean that the RNC doesn't do the same things as the DNC.

Sure but given there's no proof, this argument doesn't hold much water; these leaks not to mention other damning revelations that showed an offensive targeted smear/deception/disruption campaign against Trump is rather extreme and unlikely matched in it's criminality let alone the weight of the evidence itself. For example, there is video evidence [0] of DNC operatives taking claim for causing violence at Trump rallies. Was there even any violence that happened at Clinton campaigns? And do you really think the RNC would have gone that far in their so called 'support' of Trump which saw record-low investment in advertising and endorsements from fellow Republicans? Do you really think Wolf Blitzer got any questions from the RNC or Trump Campaign in advance of town hall debates or interviews with Hillary Clinton?

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Trump should append this contract with "End Internet shills" because it seems there are a lot of them on this thread. Good golly, I thought finally CTR would close up shop after last night. For the first time in generations the USA finally has a president who isn't a puppet. And this contract allows us to keep said President accountable from day one. Nerds rejoice! Fear not the knee-jerk comments from un/mis-informed…

Grow up and realize that not everyone who disagrees with you is a "shill." This goes for you and for every Trump supporter who made the internet an intellectual wasteland during this election. Trump won the election but lost the popular vote. Half the country finds him personally repulsive. His presidency will be more contentious than any other in memory. Like any other politician, he will not deliver on his promises…

You say to grow up but in the following sentence you lob a totally unnecessary insult, shifting blame as if there is none to fall on those who supported the Clinton campaign.

You say Trump won the election but lost the popular vote; ok I'll give you that (ignoring for a moment the culture of criminality of the Clinton campaign and the possibility for election fraud ) but the margin of that popular vote is only by a 0.2 to 0.7% lead [0]. Hardly more than 50% if even.

Regardless, if I'm not mistaken, the popular vote doesn't determine who becomes President so this argument is flawed because if popular vote did determine who became President then the Trump campaign could very well have optimized their campaign to win said popular vote; requiring a different strategy but one that could very well have been successful just as they were at winning the battleground states as they did, and as so few predicted.

You say that half the country finds him personally repulsive. Why is that? I just laid out some facts about the media collusion and attempts to smear and disrupt his character and campaign. Why is your angst not directed at the sell-out mainstream media for helping to coordinate the propaganda which is now so deeply rooted in people's opinions towards the now President to be?

Finally, maybe it would be better to give the new President a chance to implement his promises before judging him on that regard. Maybe he is not like any other politician, after all he's the only President to ever take office who has no prior position in politics or military.

[0] http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/presidential-...

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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Grow up and realize that not everyone who disagrees with you is a "shill." This goes for you and for every Trump supporter who made the internet an intellectual wasteland during this election. Trump won the election but lost the popular vote. Half the country finds him personally repulsive. His presidency will be more contentious than any other in memory. Like any other politician, he will not deliver on his promises…

You say to grow up but in the following sentence you lob a totally unnecessary insult, shifting blame as if there is none to fall on those who supported the Clinton campaign. You say Trump won the election but lost the popular vote; ok I'll give you that (ignoring for a moment the culture of criminality of the Clinton campaign and the possibility for election fraud ) but the margin of that popular vote is only by a 0…

> but the margin of that popular vote is only by a 0.2 to 0.7% lead

Although the count hasn't yet finished - California could tip that a few % points upwards.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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That's my point. I don't think it will. So, let's be comfortable while we can. Also encourage people to try to do something about it but self-interest in short-term seems to prevail on this issue.

Simply saying 'I don't think it will' is to ignore the best science that we have available today. It is a shrug. It does not suffice.

That's a mere dismissal. What's the best science we have today? Much of what I saw showed there was a point of no return. Some of it thought we passed it. All of them were clear humanity would have to massively work together to sacrifice most of the CO2 and methane-producing stuff they love to turn it around. Stuff that so much of the economy and politicians' elections depend on.

The evidence I've seen is solidly in the "we're screwed no matter what a few companies or countries do" territory.

Re: Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf]

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I just came out of an energy company job, and you're outta luck. There's nothing in the energy sector to make me think they'll innovate unless they stumble into it. Now, certain people might be able to sidle into energy but it'll be pretty rough going. I was simply trying to buck up '80s-'90s era control systems to stop breaking things and this was perceived as "they're takin' 'er jerbs." Nothing was understood. My i…

> I just came out of an energy company job, and you're outta luck. There's nothing in the energy sector to make me think they'll innovate unless they stumble into it. I don't think it only affects the existing members of the energy sector. Given the necessary financial motivation, there is a realistic opportunity for new competition in the renewable energy market rather than only relying on existing stablished compan…

IN the '60s/70, oil companies were mainly just companies that happened to do things oil-related. After the '84 crash, the character of those companies changed dramatically.

I don't know if that's inherent to that market or just a temporary phenomenon. If it is inherent, then that makes for a barrier to entry.

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