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Re: iPhone 7

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Post by scott_karana » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 3:20 PM UTC

unprepare wrote: post #976

georgespencer wrote: post #428

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> the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move Were any of them? MacBook Air released in 2008. DVD media sales rose YOY 2005 => 2009. Flash video did not decrease in popularity pre-iPhone, it decreased because of the iPhone. > The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been "DVDs are as popular today as they have ever bee…

>"DVDs are as popular today as they have ever been" - someone in 2008 What percentage of motor vehicles had a DVD player in 2008, vs what percentage of motor vehicles have an aux port today? A car is not something you can just go out and upgrade. Try getting a dealership to install a factory bluetooth system in your 2010 chevy - let me know how it goes. Keep in mind Apple is decidedly against, on a cultural level, af…

Why does it need to be a factory Bluetooth system? DIN-standard decks have had a rich aftermarket for half a century at least, and have always offered more features than factory decks.

A Bluetooth+USB+AUX deck from a brand like Pioneer or Alpine is about $100USD. Yes, it sucks to spend more money, but you also get Bluetooth calling, proper audio format support (does your Chevy so OGG?) and even support for apps like Pandora sometimes. Worth getting _without_ even having an iPhone, for me at least.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by overcast » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 3:33 PM UTC

strmpnk wrote: post #844

overcast wrote: post #267

I especially enjoyed the last second comment under his breath regarding the matte black iPhone 7 pricing. 32GB standard for all models, except the matte black, which will ONLY come in 128GB, and you'll be paying $100 more at $750. Nice underhanded move by Apple to maximize profit for what will undoubtedly be the most popular color. First they force everyone to buy the 32GB upgrade last year on the 6S, now you're forc…

Rumors had it that they're in shorter supply than the other colors so it might make sense for them to mark that one as a premium model only. They could add a 32GB model later. Another theory might be the branding they started with the cylindrical Mac Pro which is also this sort of gloss black. So perhaps we'll see more products with this gloss applied? Either way, I've always ended up regretting getting a lower capac…

Gloss anything always turns into a nightmare of scratches, and fingerprints. It looks pretty for about three seconds out of the box, and then it's quickly ruined. I thought they learned their less with the old plastic gloss cases, iphone2 era?

With multiple cameras as 12MP on this thing, 32GB is just going to become as silly as the 16GB model was. Embarrassing it's such a small amount on a $700 device.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by joemi » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 3:40 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

Out of curiosity, what is it about Apple's lightning-to-3.5mm adapter that people find so much more repulsive than the 1/4"-to-3.5mm adapter that so many better-than-cheap-earbud headphones come with these days?

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by PopsiclePete » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 3:46 PM UTC

slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

I think it's a gamble, yes. I personally hate cords. I'm always getting entangled in my cord in the gym and I'm looking forward to something wireless. My gut feeling is, in another 5 years, we won't ever believe we put up with wired headphones.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by sosborn » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 3:58 PM UTC

MagnumOpus wrote: post #964

sosborn wrote: post #451

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> How does one make such a big deal of it being water resistant (Product film: 1m 35s; "...to make this the first water resistant iPhone") but not cover liquid damage under warranty? If you brought in a water damaged phone how would you prove that you didn't exceed the rated coverage?

Occam's razor should apply here. It is impossible to prove a negative, but the percentage of people taking a phone on a >50m mixed-gas technical dive is vanishingly small.

IP67 is not rated anywhere near > 50m. http://sourcetech411.com/2013/04/understanding-the-ip67-rati...

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by easytiger » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 4:03 PM UTC

DCKing wrote: post #396

slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

To be fair to Apple, I think they have a good point. Digital connectors are superior in almost every way (space use, port flexibility, sound quality, even cable integrity). I admire them for ripping off the bandaid, like they did previously with disk drives and parrallel ports. Someone needs to lead the way to abandon legacy, and Apple can do that far more effectively than others (e.g. Motorola has also abandoned hea…

> Digital connectors are superior in almost every way

You don't know the first thing about noise or the transmogrification of noise at all do you?

> don't weigh up against the universal nature of USB Type C. The sheer arrogance.

Agreed. History is just coming to the downward part of a sine wave again... rejection of standards (see messagaing/storage/networking) and aggressive attempts at monopoly despite lack of convergence on singular solutions.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by abtinf » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #777

tptacek wrote: post #233

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that cameras are nice and so are Retina displays but what we'd really like to see is a big splashy page about whatever's new with the Secure Enclave Processor in the 7. Not because there's anything wrong with the 6! Ivan Krstic's talk about Apple platform security at Black Hat was probably the best talk of the whole event. Nobody is delivering seamlessly integrated chips…

It's probably in vain but I keep hoping that Apple will decide to enter the two-factor auth market with something like the U2F design where the Secure Enclave could sign challenges. It'd be really nice if there was an Apple ID-for-the-web to go along with Apple Pay.

Adding a simple spoken/typed passphrase or passcode would turn the iphone into a full blown three-factor auth method.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by camelNotation » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 5:19 PM UTC

georgespencer wrote: post #428

slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

> the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move Were any of them? MacBook Air released in 2008. DVD media sales rose YOY 2005 => 2009. Flash video did not decrease in popularity pre-iPhone, it decreased because of the iPhone. > The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been "DVDs are as popular today as they have ever bee…

I think your analogy to DVDs doesn't work because DVDs were never really about software. They were and, to the extent they still exist, are about multimedia in your living room. They began to decline because of Blu-ray, not because software suddenly became digitally packaged.

Second, DVDs were and are an inferior technology with a better alternative in every category of use. Yet when it comes to headphones, I own a pair of very expensive monitors that I use with lots of different devices. Am I supposed to just ignore that investment in the name of an Apple branded phone? There's nothing wrong with them at all and they far outperform a $150 pair of bluetooth "AirPods".

Regarding your statement about the Bluetooth being a universal solution, you're offering a red herring. Bluetooth was always available, so if someone wanted that, they'd have used it already. The issue here is the port itself and in this case, that means adapting all hardware not just to a new plug, but to a PROPRIETARY plug that won't work on my PC, digital piano, stereo amplifier, car auxillary port, or any of the other music producing devices I own. That's insanity.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by homero » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 6:19 PM UTC

Whitestrake wrote: post #810

homero wrote: post #779

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Airpods will get lost within days

You know, with all the people who are supposedly going to lose Airpods, it seems to me like you could just about bend down and pick a pair up off the ground if you lose your own!

They'll be stepped on and crushed

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by importantbrian » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 6:25 PM UTC

ForFreedom wrote: post #888

importantbrian wrote: post #588

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I don't think removing the headphone jack is going to be as big a deal as everyone here makes it out to be. I have a pair of bluetooth headphones I use for the gym and I love them. In fact all the headphones I see at the gym anymore are wireless. The only thing I hate is having to charge them. If battery technology keeps improving there will be no advantage to wired headphones. Even from a sound quality perspective t…

1. Removing the headphones is not what people are complaining but unable to charge the phone and use wired headphones is one thing people are complaining about. 2. USD 160 for a AirPod! thats too much and the design really is not up to the mark

1. Do we know for sure you won't be able to do that? I seem to remember that being a complaint about the USB-C port on the new MacBooks but you can get an adapter that allows you to do both. I suspect there will be similar adapters for the iPhone.

2. $160 might be too much for the AirPods, but I don't know that anyone can really know that yet. Whether they are worth that or not really depends on the functionality and sound quality, and I haven't really seen any reviews on that yet. What I do know is that $160 is really on the low end as far as good headphones go. My Jaybirds were $150 when I got them and my ATH-M50xs were also around $150.