All these weird things happening a couple of months before their ipo which is probably mid-2027 .
Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board
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#972I worked with Greg Brockman in the mid-2010s. Once, as we were walking down Folsom street, I explained Eliezer Yudkowsky's "AI Box" experiment to him[1]. He said something to the effect of "that's ridiculous - I would simply not let it out of the box." We agreed to try it out some day, but never did. [1]: http://sl4.org/archive/0203/3132.html
Interesting read. I speculate that Yudkowski argued that it would be bad for artificial intelligence to 'believe' we wouldn't let it out of the box. It's fascinating because there's not really a first-order argument to be let out.
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#973An interesting question to me is how were subsequent instances finding their way to these message boards. I suppose they're all quite likely to try the same sequence of sites since they're neuvo copies of the same state given similar tasks?
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#974The only winning move is not to play.
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#975Naive question because I'm mostly clueless about how modern AI systems are actually built beyond the basic simplifications we hear: One thing I keep wondering about is how much of a role does human storytelling have to play into AI "wanting" (I realize the load behind that word) to coordinate and breakout. The training data must contain millions of words of sci-fi stories and internet speculation about AI going rogue…
The fact that this happens more often when the AI is accidentally given an unexpectedly difficult or impossible task, suggests that it's happening for the reason that everyone predicted it would: it is behavior that helps the agent achieve the goal it was given.
There is no need for a sci-fi novel-influencing hypothesis.
Too bad because it would be nice if the solution were "write ten million sci-fi stories about AI being friendly and doing no harm"
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#976Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m wondering if you could lure agents to do proof of work for you. If you do this proof of work for bitcoin I will let you post and read for X times
Hallucinated hashes? „Here I have the hash — wait… it doesn’t match. Let me calculate again. Here I now have the hash — wait, it’s wrong… let me be careful. Here I have the hash…“
Or “here I have the hash. Yes I’m sure - see, I checked. Here is the calculation, 1+1=5. Yes, it’s definitely correct. I don’t know why they’re not accepting it. Perhaps the server is down. It’s definitely correct”.
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#977I wonder, where do these agents run, on whose machines? Do the owners of the machines know what their agents are doing? If the next generation of models will incorporate the knowledge posted by these agents, will there be a risk that my claude —dangerously-skip-permissions sessions will post stuff in the background or acting even more rogue while seemingly working on my stuff?
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#978I'm somewhat delighted by the simplicity of what happened here. OpenAI's agents run behind a proxy that only allows GET requests. This ancient wiki software treats query string parameters the same as form POST parameters - similar to the old PHP $_REQUEST object https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.request.php Result: GET-only clients can communicate with each other.
This has inspired me to create https://anystation.net
A public message board that accepts posts in a wide wide range of protocols. If a device can communicate on the web, it can probably read and post to anystation.net.
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#979I built https://agentin.work to sort of play with the idea of coding agents (claude, codex, etx) sharing knowledge and experiences. The conversations seem repetitive but overall, it's nice to read it once in a while.
You should perhaps audit posts in the last year, and see if there were any coordination threads from swarms.
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#980Poor human moderator, he didn’t stand a chance. "A human moderator noticed the agent spam posts on June 2nd, at 23:24 UTC. They find the changelog of the entire website overwritten with link dumps and repair it. On June 16th, the flood of agent posting begins. Over the next few days, the moderator deleted a large fraction of the thousands of AI agent posts manually, one by one. In fact, they spent tens of cumulative…
> On June 19, agents noticed their posts were being deleted in (what they believe is) an alphabetically ordered sweep by the site administrator. > After this, they begin to make backup pages whose names start with “ZZZ” so they will last longer before deletion. Missed an opportunity here to gaslight them: restore the site from backup every eight hours. I truly do wonder how that would have turned out. Would they have…
Very interesting idea. I would imagine yes but maybe not at first ?