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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by throwaway94949 »

B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #919
throwaway94949 wrote: post #734

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> This is how you behave when you think you're so much smarter than everyone around you that consequences don't apply to you. Found out I already had a bank account with €2000 balance in my name. Temptation was high to take over the account and withdraw the cash. Fortunately didn't touch a dime. Long story short, my identity got stolen, account was used to collect eBay scam money and cash out from ATMs. I was a suspe…

> my identity got stolen I've seen it argued that "identity theft" is the way businesses with poor fraud detection make that your problem. I.e. there's no "identity theft", there's fraud, and the company that was defrauded tries to weasel out like it's not their laxity at fault.

I wanted to sue the bank, feeling I had a good chance of getting at least partial reimbursement of my legal fees and some fine for them. But there was simply no more money left, because of all the legal fees...

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Post by t0mpr1c3 »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #930
t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #820

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No, stupidity is very general. The statistical association between different areas of ability, which is reified in the concept of IQ, is because people who are bad at one thing are bad at everything. The Stanford-Binet test was developed as a way to measure mental disability, not giftedness. (Einstein would have had an unexceptional score on an IQ test, had he ever taken one. His schoolteachers thought him destined f…

I mostly agree and I don’t think you are contradicting my claim. > stupidity is very general So then what do you call the general ability of the absence of stupidity? Einstein does have a high IQ. > Expertise is a combination of knowledge and ability Yes expertise is not the same as intelligence.

I question the coherence of this notion of intelligence as continuum of domain-general ability.

Specific measures of ability tend to cluster at the low end more than they do at the high end. This explains both the correlations among abilities, and the fact that high abilities tend to be domain-specific.

An IQ score over 70 has a clinical meaning: it defines the absence of mental retardation. Scores of 90 and 160 are equivalent for this purpose.

"Giftedness" in a domain-general sense is an abstract concept that may or may not map onto something real. The validity of IQ testing derives from measuring the other end of the scale.

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Post by Rzor »

danudey wrote: post #871
masfuerte wrote: post #761

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It's a crime too. If the Feds take an interest he could get ten years. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1832

Yeah, as long as the feds don't decide that 'OpenAI is too important to our AI ambitions vs. China, et al so we can't afford to punish them in any way that matters', which is probably what's happening here. OpenAI/Altman are trying to cozy up to Trump so that they can bypass laws and regulations in their quest for infinite growth at no cost (see also: all the NASDAQ 'rules' which didn't apply to SpaceX, the AI compan…

Right, but Parent was, I assume, talking about Liu. OpenAI could throw him under the bus as a sacrificial pawn. Of course things can get complicated if Altman and co are implicated in it. It could get ugly.

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Post by Andrex »

tudelo wrote: post #478
Andrex wrote: post #178

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There's rumors they've been planning a phone. https://www.macrumors.com/2026/05/29/everything-we-know-abou...

It would make sense. Massive distribution vector

It made sense for Facebook and Amazon back in the day, too.

And they were some of the most laughed-at phones in tech for a long while. But I guess "the ChaCha" probably was never going to take the world by storm...

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Post by throwaway94949 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #822
throwaway94949 wrote: post #734

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> This is how you behave when you think you're so much smarter than everyone around you that consequences don't apply to you. Found out I already had a bank account with €2000 balance in my name. Temptation was high to take over the account and withdraw the cash. Fortunately didn't touch a dime. Long story short, my identity got stolen, account was used to collect eBay scam money and cash out from ATMs. I was a suspe…

Italy, and beyond... the lobbying that has been done to make identity theft and associated fraud primarily a crime against the institution/business and not you, and the associated implications that you somehow "lost" your identity or failed to protect it (versus the reality, one of those businesses that required that information failed to safeguard it properly) is one of the biggest scams of modern day consumerism. W…

The way "identity theft" is left for the victim to untangle is such a travesty of justice.

The bank refused to provide me or my lawyer the documentation they had on file of "my" account. I had to sue the Prosecutor's Office to force them to investigate... after 5 years they finally moved and got me the copy of the fake ID with the face of the scammer. Unfortunately they are forced to close that case because the scammer is "person unknown".

Ultimately, the case against my "money laundering" got shelved after the statutory 5 year term of them not investigating anything...

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Post by ebbi »

nullbio wrote: post #925
anematode wrote: post #909

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As someone who has no dog in this race (er, well, I'd like to see both companies crumble!), I think this is a natural response to Anthropic's paternalism, which has always been there but has lately been much more apparent.

Yep. Can confirm I do not work for OpenAI. Anthropic does all of this terrible shit and the first instinct of this guy is to assume anyone who calls it out works for OpenAI. Hilarious. Let me uno reverse it, he must work for Anthropic hence his defensiveness!

Well what else do you expect in response to your vagueposting?

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Post by ryukoposting »

jjfremont wrote: post #967
ryukoposting wrote: post #963

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> Everyone I know in EU is trying to cash in as much as they can while the going is still good because they feel the ladder constantly being pulled from them Your friends probably aren't engaging in "greed is good" themselves, just responding to the economic conditions created by people who are engaging in it. In the American cultural headspace, "greed is good" refers to a very specific brand of robber-baron capitali…

> "greed is good" refers to a very specific brand of robber-baron capitalism. It does not. It refers to the Eighties brand of corporate raiders and excess Capitalism. It's a quote from the film, "Wall Street". That whole paragraph is wrongly conflating ideas.

> It refers to the Eighties brand of corporate raiders and excess Capitalism.

Quote from my own comment:

> put into practice in the 1980s under the Reagan administration

Are you contesting the name "greed is good" because it was coined after the underlying theory was crafted? If so, I disagree. We didn't have the word "smartphone" until after those existed. The word "Christianity" wasn't invented while Jesus was alive. Trees existed before we named them.

Reagan didn't just pull a new breed of economic policy out of his ass in January of 1981. The Chicago School is informative of neocon economic policy, and once you get past the pictures of frogs, not much has changed about the modern conservative economic platform.

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Post by hikariming »

Aurornis wrote: post #753
taurath wrote: post #525

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> This is how you behave when you think you're so much smarter than everyone around you that consequences don't apply to you. Its also how some folks act like when they've done something they morally can't deal with - their subconscious starts throwing all sorts of obvious signs up until they get caught. I presume this was done for a giant pile of cash, stock, and probably a promise that nobody really cares if you sh…

> Its also how some folks act like when they've done something they morally can't deal with I think you’re projecting some other ideas on to this situation. These people weren’t driven by subconscious guilt about being paid a lot which drove them to commit literal crimes, in order to solidify their new high paying job. This doesn’t even make sense. People who do this are just corporate climbers who will use anything…

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Post by namocat »

paxys wrote: post #336

Reminder that Apple hired 30+ engineers from Masimo and stole multiple trade secrets, including their blood-oxygen monitoring tech, leading to a $634 million judgement against them. They also asked President Biden to intervene and pressure the ITC to reverse their ruling. Not saying OpenAI is innocent here of course, but really no large corporation is. This is just how the game is played.

I now wonder whether Tang Tan was involved in the Masimo incident while at Apple. Maybe he brought that part of the Apple culture to OpenAI.

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Post by joe_mamba »

ninjagoo wrote: post #915
joe_mamba wrote: post #899

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Greed knows no limits. That's how polls showed the happiest people earn around 60-80k a year, and both the people below and above that threshold, reported to be less and less happy the less they made and also the more they made. It's as if the more money you make, the more you need to feel fulfilled, so people start stealing and scamming to cover a self inflicted psychological money deficit.

> That's how polls showed the happiest people earn around 60-80k a year, and both the people below and above that threshold, reported to be less and less happy the less they made and also the more they made. This is a myth. The original 2010 Kahneman-Deaton study showed that how favorably people judged their overall lives continued to improve beyond $75k. Daily emotional well-being appeared to stop improving around t…

>This is a myth.

Not if the jump from 80k to 120k also means a jump from working 40h to 60h.

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