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Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Emigration out of the US right now is at historic, record-breaking levels. Have any other uninformed comments you'd like to make?

you pulled that number out of your ass?

Did you not notice my use of the word uninformed?

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Here’s evidence from 2025. 2026 has increased. https://www.aau.edu/sites/default/files/Resources-American-S...

Canadians/dual citizens moving back?

It never ceases to amaze me the selective reading skills required to remain ignorant when facing clear evidence.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Honestly its been a long time coming. Acting as if academia and ivy leauge level research isn't incredibly sick is dishonest. The PRESIDENT of stanford was fired over forged research. I have personally worked very closely with 2 incredibly credentialed researcher leaders who were very very smart fudge their work. The incentive structure for researchers is completely warped. The honest ones are there but from my exper…

burning it all down is not the way to go though

Define "burn it all down" because it deff isn't

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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I do not agree. What do you mean by EU focuses on gender studies? Also, any country should be focused on research irrespective of AI, I do not see how AI is “coming” or how it’s related to this thread.

Simpletons need their labels to handle complexity. Claiming gender stuff is a no-go, when picking a place and field of research is obviously moronic.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Trump's ballroom. Trump's "irs lawsuit settlement fund" The salaries of all the lawyers being paid to justify illegal and discriminatory executive orders. ICE's budget. TSA's budget. "Border Wall" construction costs. Should I go on?

I agree with all of that but you don't put a dent in spending outside of tackling ICE budget. TSA is more neutral since a lot of funding from that comes from airline ticket fees. There is only 5 items that matter: Interest on Debt. Social Security Medicare. Medicaid. Defense.

I'm not trying to balance the budget here, just find a few billion for research.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Define "burn it all down" because it deff isn't

whatever the current admin is doing classifies as burning it. if not all the way down, then halfway down

If the deffinition to you is anything the admin does then that's hard to argue.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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What tax dollars are you referring to? America famously does not pay for people to go to higher education at any real scale.

They're talking about PhDs, many of which are funded by grants.

Post docs and PhD’s working in labs get Grants sure. grad students however which is what we’re talking about here, do not. Or at least not government ones.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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Interestingly, the IPCC reports themselves (not the summaries for policymakers) are quite optimistic. IIRC something like, if we do nothing to abate emissions, climate damages in 2100 will cause damage equivalent to ~3% of GDP per year. (With GDP being many times higher than now per capita). Hardly a catastrophic prediction!

I know, right? They bend over backwards to not be "alarmist," even perhaps a bit more than they should. But of course this wins them zero credit from their political opponents, which is an important lesson about politics: seeking middle ground with someone bent on destroying you is a fool's errand.

Oh, I wouldn't say that. The summary for policymakers they produce is incredibly alarmist compared to what their actual reports predict.

Re: U.S. science is in chaos

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> If I wanted racial purity in my collaborators it get a time machine to 1930s Germany. If you knew more about it than some memes about racism, you'd know that the nihilism, this thin-skinned "at least we'll take them with us" sentiment you just expressed, was at the heart of it. But they had a lost war and the 1920s to be bitter about, the treaty of Versailles, not someone who "couldn't shut up" about something. The…

You're right nihilism is a never a productive reaction to have, but I find it a bit tone deaf to say it now after the past 10 years of ever increasing partisan capture of science agencies. If being apathetic to a broken system makes you Nazi, what would be a better approach to the problem outlined by the person you were responding to? How would you keep political agents out of science institutions?

Someone once talked to a scientist who wouldn't shut up about how they could use their, let's call it privilege at this point, to help them both (use it for their collaboration), and now they are happy with seeing all science burn? Because that situation was like the 1930s Germany? Yeah no. And US science isn't getting less political with Christian fundamentalists and kleptocrats dismantling as much as they can as quickly as they can, so complaining about the previous situation more than the current one might be projection.
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