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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by jjk166 »

hajile wrote: post #696
jjk166 wrote: post #587

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You can't compare time, you need to compare sorties. There were only 5900 F15 sorties during the gulf war. It's not clear how many of the 8000 combat sorties sorties flown so far in the Iran war are with F15s, but it's almost certainly several thousand. Overall during the gulf war coalition forces suffered 52 fixed wing aircraft lost in combat over approximately 116,000 combat sorties. Given Iran ought to have far be…

Look at the super-precise strike on the E-3 sentry that we have pictures of. We know at least one other was hit. If Iran can do this with AWACS, they can do even more with the hundreds of fighter jets in Israeli and US bases (it's much easier to cover up the destruction of an F-15 or F-35). Once this war ends, I think we'll see that most of the aircraft kills are going to be on the ground.

I'm talking about things being shot down.

Hitting ground targets is even less of a technical flex.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by YZF »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #555
rustyhancock wrote: post #330

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I don't think we'll see anything close to reliable reporting any time soon. The story of whether Iran had a nuclear program has been reported every which way but loose for the past 6 months. By the time Trump started pushing that they were close to a nuke again, those that claimed he was wrong 6 months ago and the nuclear program was intact. Had started claiming it was in fact destroyed. Gosh that sentence is hard en…

That Iran had a nuclear program was not in dispute. It was regulated under international supervision based on the terms of Obama's agreement with Iran, which Trump promptly tore up because he has the mental capacity of a fourth-grader. That Iran was on the verge of building bombs was far from clear. Khameini had previously issued a fatwa against doing so, on the grounds that it would be haram, or un-Islamic. All sign…

But the JCPOA had some big issues with it. It was time bound- that is it only delayed Iran's program ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal ) and Iran got sanctions relief in return that allowed it to fund its proxies and pursue other activities not constrained by the agreement (such as its ballistic missile program, drones etc.).

Iran also restricted IAEA access to military sites while the agreement was in effect.

https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/revealed-emptying-of-th...

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by troad »

orf wrote: post #604
hereme888 wrote: post #596

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Clueless? Iran has been attacking many countries, including US and Israel, for 47 years. It's not a secret.

Out of interest, what sequence of actions by which country in particular led to the modern Iranian regime?

The 1979 Islamic Revolution was staged by Iranians, in response to the despotism of the Pahlavi dynasty, founded in 1925 by Iranians.

It is a disease of the Western mind - and particularly Western academia - to deny agency to others, especially people in the Middle East, as you're doing here with your painfully unsubtle attempt to link US support for the Pahlavis in 1956 to the 1979 Islamic Revolution 23 years later. Worth noting that the Pahlavi dynasty started out as autocratic as it ended, well before the US ever showed up.

This is a lazy reverse Orientalism, where people in the Middle East are othered and cast as a perennial victim incapable of taking any role in, or responsibility for, what happens in their own countries. It's disempowering racism in academic garb.

Iranians caused the Islamic Revolution and only the Iranians can undo it. I wish them the best of luck in doing so.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by sosomoxie »

gryzzly wrote: post #642
ohhman11 wrote: post #386

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At this point Israelis (and the bulk of Israel-backing jews around the world) only have themselves to blame for the resurgence of neo-nazi conspiracy theories. >antisemitic conspiracy theory that claims that Jews secretly control the U.S. government. Anyway, this just seems to be fact, and not a conspiracy theory? Besides for the "secretly" part.

blaming jews for antisemitism – lovely stuff! switch the jews to any other nation and hate towards them and see how bigoted that sounds. your hate is visible.

Everyone should hate Israel. It's a terrorist state built on ethnic cleansing and genocide. It's executed so many crimes against humanity since its inception that it's impossible to track them all."The jews" aren't a nation, there's a nation that claims to represent all jews and it's up to the jews (and only the jews) to push back on that.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by sosomoxie »

gryzzly wrote: post #640
pphysch wrote: post #525

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The "50,000 murdered protesters" is blatant atrocity propaganda to launder the actual mass murder of civilians and failed illegal regime change war by the United States and Israel. Nothing more. It is a lie told with the blackest of intentions. "Who cares if we murdered 170 schools girls? The evil regime murdered 50 gorillian civilians so it's okay when we do it!"

this just says that you believe the Iranian regime and don’t believe the western democracies, nothing else. there are names of people killed, and videos of hangings, and videos of basij forces shooting at people on the streets, easy to find. there are videos of Iranians celebrating the bombing of regime symbols – saying all of its "atrocity propaganda" doesn’t make it not be true.

> there are names of people killed

No, there are not. You're telling me there's 30,000 names somewhere of people killed. There aren't and it's ridiculous to claim that without a source.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by orf »

troad wrote: post #973
orf wrote: post #604

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Out of interest, what sequence of actions by which country in particular led to the modern Iranian regime?

The 1979 Islamic Revolution was staged by Iranians, in response to the despotism of the Pahlavi dynasty, founded in 1925 by Iranians. It is a disease of the Western mind - and particularly Western academia - to deny agency to others, especially people in the Middle East, as you're doing here with your painfully unsubtle attempt to link US support for the Pahlavis in 1956 to the 1979 Islamic Revolution 23 years later.…

> claim that US support for the Pahlavis in 1956

“Support”. Hah. The word you’re ham-fistedly avoiding there is “coup”. You got the year wrong as well. The US and UK self-admittedly engineered it to support their national interests.

If you believe not one but two superpowers can’t engineer a coup in a financially poor but resource rich nation then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by troad »

orf wrote: post #976
troad wrote: post #973

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The 1979 Islamic Revolution was staged by Iranians, in response to the despotism of the Pahlavi dynasty, founded in 1925 by Iranians. It is a disease of the Western mind - and particularly Western academia - to deny agency to others, especially people in the Middle East, as you're doing here with your painfully unsubtle attempt to link US support for the Pahlavis in 1956 to the 1979 Islamic Revolution 23 years later.…

> claim that US support for the Pahlavis in 1956 “Support”. Hah. The word you’re ham-fistedly avoiding there is “coup”. You got the year wrong as well. The US and UK self-admittedly engineered it to support their national interests. If you believe not one but two superpowers can’t engineer a coup in a financially poor but resource rich nation then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

Except we're not talking about the Pahlavi dynasty, we're talking about the Islamic Republic. You're trying to draw some direct causal link from the '56 coup to the '79 revolution, just because that's the conclusion your preconceptions demand, facts be damned.

Why stop there? France engineered and supported an anti-British coup in the underdeveloped but resource rich American colonies in the late 18th century, setting in motion the train of events that led to the Islamic Revolution!

And the Polish General Kosciusko fought valiantly for the Americans, on account of the partitions of Poland. Were it not for those partitions, he'd have been at home! So it is the Austrian, Prussian, and Russian Empires - the partitioning powers of 18th century Poland-Lithuania - to blame for the Islamic Revolution!

But why did Austria desire to get involved in the partitions of Poland, and what long game was it playing vis-a-vis the Shiite scholars of then-Persia...

Hold up, we need a corkboard and some pins. Where's Pepe Silvia in all of this? Who has the Jack Ruby?

You can draw the bowstring all the way to Mars if you want to, but the only people to blame for the monstrous regime of Iran are the people who put that regime in place, and that certainly wasn't the Americans. No amount of "well this encouraged that, which caused blowback to this, leading to that" Substack-level motivated reasoning is going to change that fact.

The gay kids being executed by Iran are not cursing the name of America, or Empress Maria Theresa of Austria, they're cursing the ghouls who are hanging them, who are their countrymen.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by ratrace »

diordiderot wrote: post #950
lejalv wrote: post #734

So how is this not flagged, whereas this other post lasted literally minutes before being flagged? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47612053 75000+ palestinians killed, arguably one of the defining crimes of our age are not worth HN discussion (“politics”) but one F15E shot down in a war of choice is (apparently, “tech”)?

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by ineedaj0b »

asdff wrote: post #686
ineedaj0b wrote: post #577

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they were making a nuke, plenty of details there - and no one wants another NK situation in the world. Btw, Iran with conventional missiles struck its Arab neighbors. After Trump leaves office the next President will still hate Iran irregardless of political party.

North Korea, famous for attacking with nukes. Once again the only nation that has ever used nukes on another nation is the United States. If anything it is the United States that should be disarmed because there is already precedent that they will use them. Everyone else developed the bomb because of the United States having it and having a monopoly on destroying any city with a single bomb.

This is weak logic - you know darn well how difficult and costly the battle of the pacific would have been on both sides without the Nukes.

Iran is disliked by all their Arab neighbors besides Qatar.

Is NK really a success? Are they doing well? You plan to hedge long run the world needs another poorly developed pariah state with 90 million people doing suboptimal?

Iranian leadership was fine btw dying for Martyrdom. So let’s give a strongly theological government happy with Martyrdom a nuke. Because they won’t care about the consequences.

You might know technology but you are clueless about the world. Every Iranian not in Iran hates Iran.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Post by simulator5g »

ok_dad wrote: post #317
MarkMarine wrote: post #26

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The F35 was able to make an emergency landing in a gulf country. This one actually went down in Iran.

I’m not sure a plane can be landed when the crew ejected.

It can, that's part of why these newer planes cost billions of dollars per unit. Assuming the plane is still controllable though. Usually in that case you wouldn't eject, but its technically possible. There was a case where a US pilot ejected on accident and their plane landed itself.
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