Unfortunately this article and the conversation here is taken in the context of the entirety of Israel is bad, the whole military war against Hamas and its patrons was bad, and that there is a genocide in Gaza. It leaves little room to have meaningful conversations about difficult conditions in the war and whether soldiers acted incorrectly or not and if they should be tried or not with regards to this single incident.
IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report
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Forced displacement due to the mass destruction of all facilities in an area consists exactly in ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing means : systemic removal of a group or person by another group of person in an area. And it's exactly what's happening. It makes no sense to say it's neither a genocide nor ethnic cleansing if the population grows. Same as saying there were no genocide or ethnic cleansing in Rwanda or Bo…
I mean by that definition, USA's immigration enforcement constitutes ethnic cleansing. I guess I just question your moral authority to second guess Israel's handling of their very unique situation.
> USA's immigration enforcement constitutes ethnic cleansing.
Indeed, it is ethnic cleansing. This situation isn't unique at all. Actually, it's quite common in History. The same happened to Algeria with the French colonization.
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I can upvote just fine. Perhaps you’ve already upvoted it, so the (already used) upvote button is now missing?
Nope, unvote is missing as well.
Could you please email us (hn@ycombinator.com) a screenshot of what you see here?
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I can upvote just fine. Perhaps you’ve already upvoted it, so the (already used) upvote button is now missing?
nope. I cant upvote it either. @dang
Could you please email us (hn@ycombinator.com) a screenshot of what you see here?
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No. Your message is. A lot of people commit mortal sin of logical fallacy by extending the responsibility for actions of certain group of people to everyone sharing with them ethnicity or religion. It‘s the stupidity worth of the strongest condemnation given the context. It‘s not jews committing war crimes in Gaza, it‘s zionists. It‘s not muslims or Palestinians planning and executing terrorist attacks, it‘s religiou…
Zionism is the idea of self determination of Jews in their homeland. You separate Jews from zionists. How would you call the Palestinian self determination movement, would you separate it from the rest of the Palestinians? Would you call that group for committing war crimes?
That‘s just two flavors of nationalism, an outdated idea from last couple of centuries that leads nowhere. The only reasonable way is federalism and deep political integration, where Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, maybe Jordan build a common state with free trade, free movement etc. That may sound a distant future at best, but the alternative is the same bloody status quo.
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> Palestine is a country under a brutal military occupation and progressive illegal colonisation that has been going on for 80 years. If Mexico had started attacking the US across the border, what would the US do? I'm curious to hear what you think a country should do in this circumstance.
Are the US currently illegally occupying large parts of Mexico and progressively colonising it, displacing and oppressing the Mexican population? And if that were the case, would you say that Mexico had started attacking the US across the border? Or would you say that the US are waging war against Mexico and Mexico is fighting back?
Are the US currently illegally occupying large parts of Mexico
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By the wide definition of of "the people who stole your land" that you're using (meaning, no Hamas person checked who stole what land), almost everyone on earth is someone who stole someone's land. If not now, than in the previous generation. In my case as an Israeli, ~4 generations ago. In your case? I don't know. Either the people your family stole the land from X years ago have the right to attack you, or your fam…
I'm indigenous like the Palestinians (who also did not steal anyone's land). Zionism was created in the late 1800s with the mission to steal land and ethnically cleanse Palestine. These are concrete and well documented actions that justify Hamas's resistance.
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> By the wide definition of of "the people who stole your land" that you're using (meaning, no Hamas person checked who stole what land), almost everyone on earth is someone who stole someone's land. If not now, than in the previous generation. In my case as an Israeli, ~4 generations ago. Thanks for saying that (not sarcasm, I mean it). Peace can only start when both sides admit they’ve done wrong too.
Would you say both sides did wrong with the Nazis vs Jews? This is an identical situation (possibly worse since the Zionists actively invaded Palestine to commit genocide).
It is not identical, and it not even similar situation. You are sick in your head to compare the killing of 6 million people, unarmed, in gas chambers, with two nations that have a strong link to a place fighting over the land. The Jews never had anything against Germany - on the contrary, they wanted to integrate in it. Jews have real a historical connection to the land that even a Quran believer cannot deny, not to mention an archeologist.
Your failure to see things through the eyes of the other side is exactly the kind of thing that makes the Middle East a terrible place to live in.
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From where I sit nobody is questioning that the Israelis are supposed to be the good guys in this story. But the stories coming from the region are horrific! Is it true that it is the official policy of the IDF to shoot to kill children who throw stones at them? Plus because Israel is making serious efforts to choke off all information from the region, I understand that it takes some time before a sober accounting of…
I got a lot of comments all saying the same thing so it's hard to know what to reply to. For posterity I'll expand on my meaning here. I live in the US. One of our biggest points of national pride here is our status as "back to back world war champs" and tied up in that pride is the creation of Israel in its modern form. As a country built around a military/industrial complex trust them enough to sell them all our most advanced weapons, which is good for business obviously. We think of Jewish people sharing our religious beliefs much more readily than we think the same of the followers of Islam.
Most importantly as a nation we're guilty of pretty much all the same crimes as they are. We built our country on land that we took from indigenous people. After Sept 11 we went collectively ballistic and did wanton violence. Hell I just recently read that we used artillery to strike a populated city in a grid pattern. Boom! Morals my fucking ass. And because the soldiers firing those howitzers fired all day every day, they all basically killed themselves even if they are still technically alive because we now understand that that much repeated shockwave trauma turns your brain to jelly, literally, until you see ghosts, do some homicides, or kill yourself. Mmmmmmhm yes sir, moral leaders of the free world right here.
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That is simply wrong. Palestinians were first attacked by the British, supporting the Zionists, in the 1930s. Then, in 1947, during plan Dalet, Israel attacked Palestine and the surrounding Arab states. Before that, of course, they colonized Palestine under the shield of the British empire. An easier way to disarm this argument is: Why did the Zionists come and displace the Palestinians? And who would respond peacefu…
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That's rich. If "talk of colonization" is propaganda, why did Herzl write about "important experiments in colonization" in Palestine? and why did Jabotinsky say "Zionism is a colonization adventure"? Why did Max Nordau say: "the existing and promising beginnings of a Jewish colonization shall be looked after and maintained till the movement will be possible on a large scale"?
Why would the founders of Zionism engage in "ahistorical propaganda" against themselves?
Zionism is one of the most brutal examples of colonialism ever, and the founders of Zionism don't disagree. Zionists are equivalent to Nazis in their treatment of the "other" and their belief in a pure ethnostate, the consequences of these beliefs are exactly the same. And young people are finally waking up to this.
Shame on you, you zionist pig.