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Post by re5i5tor »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

I shared a lot of these uninformed (speaking only for myself) opinions, but have a lot more respect for Peter after listening to his recent 3hr interview with Lex Fridman. I came away liking and respecting.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by phamilton »

hirako2000 wrote: post #695
phamilton wrote: post #331

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As an experiment, I set it up with a z.ai $3/month subscription and told it to do a tedious technical task. I said to stay busy and that I expect no more than 30 minutes of inactivity, ever. The task is to decompile Wave Race 64 and integrate with libultraship and eventually produce a runnable native port of the game. (Same approach as the Zelda OoT port Ship of Harkinian). It set up a timer ever 30 minutes to check…

$3 z.ai subscription? Sounds like it already burned $3k I find those toys in perfect alignment with what LLM provider thrive for. Widespread token consumption explosion to demonstrate investors: see, we told you we were right to invest, let's open other giga factories.

It's using about 100M input tokens a day on glm 4.7 (glm 5 isn't available on my plan). It's sticking pretty close to the throttling limits that reset every 5 hours.

100M input tokens is $40 and anywhere from 2-6 kWh.

Certainly excessive for my $3/month.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

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Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by phamilton »

decidu0us9034 wrote: post #949
hobofan wrote: post #581

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So, you don't know if it has produced anything valuable yet?

Yeah I'm not sure I understand what the goal here is. Ship of Harkinian is a rewrite not just a decompilation. As a human reverse engineer I've gotten a lot of false positives.This seems like one of those areas where hallucinations could be really insidious and hard to identify, especially for a non-expert. I've found MCP to be helpful with a lot of drudgery, but I think you would have to review the llm output, do ex…

Step 1: Decompile into C that can be recompiled into a working ROM. In theory, it could be compiled into the same ROM that we started with. Consistent ROM hash is the main success criteria for the OoT decompilation project. Have it grind until it succeeds.

Step 2: Integrate libultraship. Launching the game natively is the next criteria. Then ideally we could do differential testing on a frame by frame basis comparing emulated vs native.

Step 3: Semantic documentation of source. If it gets this far, I will be very impressed.

This is absolutely an experiment. It's a hard problem with low stakes. There a lot to learn from it.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by phamilton »

hobofan wrote: post #581
phamilton wrote: post #331

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As an experiment, I set it up with a z.ai $3/month subscription and told it to do a tedious technical task. I said to stay busy and that I expect no more than 30 minutes of inactivity, ever. The task is to decompile Wave Race 64 and integrate with libultraship and eventually produce a runnable native port of the game. (Same approach as the Zelda OoT port Ship of Harkinian). It set up a timer ever 30 minutes to check…

So, you don't know if it has produced anything valuable yet?

Not yet. But what's the actual goal here? It's not to have a native Wave Race 64. It's to improve my intuition around what sort of tasks can be worked on 24/7 without supervision.

I have a hypothesis that I can verify the result against the original ROM. With that as the goal, I believe the agent can continue to grind on the problem until it passes that verification. I've seen it in that of other areas, but this is something larger and more tedious and I wanted to see how far it could go.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by jv22222 »

tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #504

I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…

The billion dollar homepage.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by josteink »

eager_learner wrote: post #762
latexr wrote: post #612

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> you get hired for your proven ability to (…) No, you get hired for your perceived ability to (…) The world is full of Juliuses, which is a big reason everything sucks. https://ploum.net/2024-12-23-julius-en.html

to--> latexr: Thank you for the link to Polum's essay in juliusosis. It really is the case that a lot of incompetence is hiding in plain sight. Probably because modern schooling encourages this. I've lived in China (as a foreigner) and they have a word for Juliuses. They call them the 'cha bu duo xiansheng' = the 'Mr. Almost ok'.

> It really is the case that a lot of incompetence is hiding in plain sight.

It may sound preposterous but I'm going to make the argument that sometimes not knowing how things work is a feature, not a bug.

I would assume most people with a little work-experience has encountered the kind of legacy systems which is crucial to the business, yet for whatever reason doing any sort of work on them involves a tremendous amount of friction.

A technical person who knows how this system works in and out will often claim that certain seemingly simple things cannot be done, because of how the system works.

It might be highly impractical, but if we're honest about things, it's all software. It can be changed if we decide to and the company is willing to put in the effort to make it happen. It's clearly possible, but the skilled worked will often present it as an impossibility.

The Julius, not hampered by such knowledge or constraints, will be see a seemingly simple problem, and maybe even imagine what other things would be possible or even "simple" if that problem was solved.

If the Julius manages to get management approval for these ideas, you may actually end up getting management approval for changing/upgrading the base system causing the friction, something the more fact-based engineers would not.

Chances are it's going to be messier than projected, not being delivered on time... But in the long term it might be a net good for everyone involved ;)

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by verdverm »

beaker52 wrote: post #607
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Same for OpenClaw, it will be commodity soon if you don't think it is already

It appears to me that the same people who think “vibe coding” is a great idea, are the same people who think “Gas Town” is the future, and “OpenClaw” detractors are just falling behind. For your sake, I’m not saying they’re wrong. I’m just pointing out something I’ve noticed.

I'm not generally opposed to the idea, I'm just looking at the output and seeing tokens burnt to produce slop projects. I'd imagine a bunch of basic, non-coding tasks may be more tractable, but a quick look at /shownew ought to reduce anxiety

My personal approach is to start from minimal, push that as far as I can, keep the human in the loop so I know how good it actually is, then find ways that have a better overall ROI. I'm performing similar loops to clawd/ralph manually, with my attention paid.

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Post by latexr »

mrugge wrote: post #967
latexr wrote: post #612

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> you get hired for your proven ability to (…) No, you get hired for your perceived ability to (…) The world is full of Juliuses, which is a big reason everything sucks. https://ploum.net/2024-12-23-julius-en.html

The world is full of Juliuses. And if one works with enough people one can suddenly realize that they too are a Julius relative to someone smarter and more introverted. Worth considering this before dismissing someone as yet another Julius. Oh and everything doesn't suck.

> And if one works with enough people one can suddenly realize that they too are a Julius relative to someone smarter and more introverted.

No, Julius is not a spectrum. There is a line between being one or not being one. It’s not just a slider between “socially outgoing” and “technically competent”, it describes a particular type of individual.

> Oh and everything doesn't suck.

I think it was pretty clear I didn’t mean literally. Obviously the Sun doesn’t suck, nor does water, nor do an infinity of things which humans could not have as hand it.

Re: I’m joining OpenAI

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Post by beernet »

parineum wrote: post #969
beernet wrote: post #879

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While that might take it a little too far, Lex surely is a dangerous individual. On various occasions did he sympathize with the war and terror that Russia is doing in Ukraine. I do not click on any of his content because I will not support these (and a few other questionable, to say the least) views of his. Also his image of an MIT researcher is hilarious.

> On various occasions did he sympathize with the war and terror that Russia is doing in Ukraine. I'm not a devotee of his but I've listened to a few of his podcasts when I like the guest. I have an idea of how someone would come away with your impression given lex's interview style but I'd be pretty surprised if anything he said would, to me, fit your impression. That said, I'd like an example if you have something…

> That said, I'd like an example if you have something specific to point to that might change my mind

This guy wanted Putin on his podcast to hear his side of the story (let that sink in) and spoke Russian to Zelensky. Willingly wanting to provide a platform for a mass murderer who is best known for large-scale social media propaganda.

This is not an "impression" of his "interview style". This guy implicitly supports terrorist acts.

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