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Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#971

It's kind of surprising that no-one has really come out with a proper privacy-preserving approach to this yet. It is clearly _possible_; there are reasonable-looking designs for this. But no-one's doing it; they're just collecting photos and IDs, and then leaking them all over the place.

Here's my solution: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46447282 The problem is privacy activists and free speech activists (though there's some overlap between the two they aren't the same) oppose age verification by any means since it has the potential to infringe on both ever so slightly. Meanwhile age verification gates are being demanded and thrown up all over the Internet at a frightening pace. So we get only…

There is no 'half-pregnant' option. Compromise is synonymous with 'bring into danger' for a reason. They are right to be dogmatic about rights - believing that is like believing it will really be 'just the tip'.

Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#972

I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…

>>Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be I've been putting my pants on every morning for the last several years, had breakfast, gone to work, and come home without worrying about any current events in the USA and my life seems no different than 50 years ago except I have modern gadgets. Social media is not the world. In fact, it's 10% of what the real world is like and how…

while there is nothing wrong with it, you are clearly in a stable section of a stable country

Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#973

I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…

I spent 7 hours or so yesterday installing Zulip. It was a huge pain; for one, it wants to own an entire server and the only supported installation method is this mega-script that clobbers everything, so I had to try to use the Docker container. Documentation on installation is scarce; other than telling you to use the script, and the fact that a docker container exists (though the GitHub repo it linked me to was no longer accurate, and I had to find the updated image name elsewhere), there's practically no information on how it works or how to use it, or what it depends on or how to configure it.

- Had to use ChatGPT to help generate me a docker-compose.yml, except it forgot about memcached, set the wrong environment variables and just generally did a sloppy job.

- Once it was running it was a huge pain to set up reverse proxying properly, because Zulip apparently doesn't even pay attention to proxy headers if you're talking to it on port 80, even if X-Forwarded-Proto says https. It would get stuck in an endless redirect loop trying to redirect https to https. I could only properly debug this with tcpdump. The only solution I could find was to expose port 443 of the container and then have the reverse proxy talk to that, but Zulip still won't respect X-Forwarded-For, and login emails still show the Docker network address for whatever reason. No idea how to fix this as I couldn't find documentation on how to do it for Docker; the doc for reverse proxying without Docker says to edit zulip.conf, which is impossible (or I don't know how, as again, I couldn't find documentation on any way to do it for Docker.)

- Even once I could access Zulip it was a huge pain to get it to access the databases it needs, because again, I couldn't find documentation on how to do this for Docker. This was after it was a pain to figure out how to generate an org creation link because I don't think I could find documentation for that either, I had to find the script and read the source to figure it out.

- Even once it could access the databases it needs, and I could get it to use the right passwords (which was annoying as it generated SOME of own secrets, but not others, and started ignoring the corresponding settings, like the email host password), I tried to set up push notifications but that required a setting I didn't know how to set because I couldn't find documentation on how to do that for Docker; I eventually figured it out but it was annoying.

It was so awful and took up practically my entire day. Once I could finally get it to work, it works pretty well, but it's not an experience I would recommend until the docs start supporting this use case.

I'm sure it would've been easier if I read the entire documentation, the entire source code, the entire build script of the Docker container, etc. but I just wanted something to work...

Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#974
post #810

I have mentioned this before, but age verification can be solved by hash chains. They can prove age without compromising privacy. It is crazy that the solutions Discord goes for are IDs and selfies. It definitely gives the impression that there are shady ulterior motives. Hash chains are simple. If they were adopted, Discord would clearly be in bad faith taking the steps that they do now. If you search you will find…

I'm not sure how hash chains would resolve the fundamental issue of needing to send your ID or similar to some random third-party company that does god-knows-what with it (probably stores it in a publicly accessible path with big "steal me" signs pointing at it). That they need to attest to your age means that they need to trust what your age is, which has really just moved the problem one layer deeper (as far as I can tell).

Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#975

I hope Discord understands the risks they pose to their audience when they open source their IDs again. Discord is used by a bunch of closeted users having pseudos, who wouldn't do the same activities on it if everyone had their names. A part of the Discord users is from countries from which Discord isn't even officially accessible (eg China) or where involvement in LGBT discussions could result to death row (Afghani…

> Discord is used by a bunch of closeted users having pseudos, who wouldn't do the same activities on it if everyone had their names. Exactly. I am sure they won't share their face or ID and will move somewhere else. Big opportunity for other platforms to stand up and grow their user base.

Literally just finished spinning up a Matrix server for my friends and I to try out

Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#976

It should go without saying but, *CANCEL YOUR NITRO SUBSCRIPTION NOW IF YOU'RE PAYING FOR ONE* (for whatever reason) This was just announced today and a flood of canceled payments within the next 24 hours are the easiest way to send a message. And also tell people on the servers you're on to do the same. It's not like they give you anything of real value for that money.

Discord has been immensely hostile to the public in general since forever, and people love to flock to it and throw money at the company behind it. I don't expect the masses to change their incomprehensible habits just because of this.

If you look up the founder he has a bit of history of shady shiz with his past companies.

It isn't surprising to me they are going scorched earth now bending to the will of the fascist government.

Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#977
post #761

I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…

I've been building a decentralized, open source platform at https://github.com/Qbix/Platform before it was cool. I don't think it's cool even now. I mostly got hate on HN every time I posted about it LOL. I think something about "decentralized" gets some people really riled up (maybe it's the association with crypto / blockchain?) but frankly, it's the ONLY solution to extreme centralization. Someone's got to build a…

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Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#978

You’re out of your mind if you think I’m gonna upload ID to use a “shitposting about video games with friends” service.

All social media websites should require id tbh. This is the new public town square - everyone should have a voice, but nobody should escape the consequences of using that voice to peddle bullshit.

The old town square had anonymous pamphleteers.

Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#979

What realistic open source alternatives to Discord are there? I'm currently considering moving to one of these with my friend group: - Matrix - Stoat, previously revolt ( https://stoat.chat/ ) - IRC + Mumble - Signal

You've pretty much covered all the open source alternatives, other than rocket.chat which is more similar to slack. This has a good list - https://medium.com/@jingjunm/the-best-alternatives-to-discor...

If you don't NEED the open-source, pumble and steam group chats work great too

Re: Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

#980

It should go without saying but, *CANCEL YOUR NITRO SUBSCRIPTION NOW IF YOU'RE PAYING FOR ONE* (for whatever reason) This was just announced today and a flood of canceled payments within the next 24 hours are the easiest way to send a message. And also tell people on the servers you're on to do the same. It's not like they give you anything of real value for that money.

why in gods name would you ever pay for discord.
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