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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

My natural reaction here is like I think most others; that yes Grok / X bad, shouldn't be able to generate CSAM content / deepfakes. But I am having trouble justifying in an consistent manner why Grok / X should be liable here instead of the user. I've seen a few arguments here that mostly comes down to: 1. It's Grok the LLM generating the content, not the user. 2. The distribution. That this isn't just on the user's…

> But I am having trouble justifying in an consistent manner why Grok / X should be liable here instead of the user.

This seems to rest on false assumptions that: (1) legal liability is exclusive, and (2) investigation of X is not important both to X’s liability and to pursuing the users, to the extent that they would also be subject to liability.

X/xAI may be liable for any or all of the following reasons:

* xAI generated virtual child pornography with the likenesses of actual children, which is generally illegal, even if that service was procured by a third party.

* X and xAI distributed virtual child pornography with the likenesses of actual children, which is generally illegal, irrespective of who generated and supplied them.

* To the extent that liability for either of the first two bullet points would be eliminated or mitigated by absence of knowledge at the time of the prohibited content and prompt action when the actor became aware, X often punished users for the prompts proucing the virtual child pornography without taking prompt action to remove the xAI-generated virtual child pornography resulting from the prompt, demonstrating knowledge and intent.

* When the epidemic of grok-generated nonconsensual, including child, pornography drew attention, X and xAI responded by attempting to monetize the capacity by limiting the tool to only paid X subscribers, showing an attempt to commercially profit from it, which is, again, generally illegal.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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It's a bit of a leap to say that the model must be censored. SD and all the open image gen models are capable of all kinds of things, but nobody has gone after the open model trainers. They have gone after the companies making profits from providing services.

So far, yes, but as far as I can tell their case against the AI giants aren't based on it being for-profit services in any way.

The for-profit part may or may not be a qualifier, but the architecture of a centralized service means they automatically become the scene of the crime -- either dissemination or storing of illegal material. Whereas if Stability creates a model, and others use their model locally, the relationship of Stability to the crime is ad-hoc. They aren't an accessory.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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This is not about AI but about censorship of a nonaligned social network. It's been a developing current in EU. They have basically been foaming at the mouth at the platform since it got bought.

It's about a guy who thinks posting child porn on twitter is hilarious and that guy happens to own twitter. If it was about blocking the social media they'd just block it, like they did with Russia Today, CUII-Liste Lina, or Pavel Durov.

Although I despise it, I respect your right to lie through your teeths.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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But how would we bring down our political boogieman Elon Musk if we take that approach? Everything I read from X's competitors in the media tells me to hate X, and hate Elon. If we prosecute people not tools, how are we going to stop X from hurting the commercial interests of our favourite establishment politicians and legacy media?

People defending allowing CSAM content was definitely not on my bingo card for 2026.

There is no mediocrity Republicans won't embrace. They have absolutely zero values, and can be made to accept and defend literally anything with sufficient propaganda.

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It seems people have a rather short memory when it comes to twitter. When it was still run by Jack Dorsey, CP was abundant on twitter and there was little effort to tamp down on it. After Musk bought the platform, he and Dorsey had a public argument in which Dorsey denied the scale of the problem or that old twitter was aware of it and had shown indifference. But Musk actually did take tangible steps to clean it up a…

Didn't X unban users like Dom Lucre who posted CSAM because of their political affiliation?

Not only that but iirc he was one of the early “creators program” folks. Musk unbanned the guy that posted CSAM and started paying him to post.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Those images are generated from a training set, and it is already well known and reported that those training sets contain _real_ CSAM, real violence, real abuse. That "generated" face of a child is based on real images of real children.

Indeed, a Stanford study from a few years back showed that the image data sets used by essentially everybody contain CSAM. Everybody else has teams building guardrails to mitigate this fundamental existential horror of these models. Musk fired all the safety people and decided to go all in on “adult” content.

What Stanford study?

If you mean the one titled "Generative ML and CSAM", I can't see any mention of your claim in that study. Care to explain?

https://fsi.stanford.edu/publication/generative-ml-and-csam-...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> There's basically no consent with what Grok is doing. Wait how do you get consent from people that don't exist?

AI fake nudes were made from very real and very alive people

AI generated dancing puppies were not made from real dancing puppies.

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Is this post low-key advocating for anime csam in the name of freedom?

> name of freedom

Speaking of freedom, I lost posting permission yesterday after my earlier post. Even though vile replies were insinuating vile things, my right of reply was taken away. We should never diminish the "name of freedom" as you've just done.

It should go without saying that CSAM is revolting. Who wants to see that stuff? Not me, not most people. Grok can't make that content. Maybe someone got around it temporarily. I've always thought Grok heavily censored, it refuses to analyse an image of the Statue of David because "naughty bits". The ironic and sad thing is a fig leaf gets around that restriction. So the accusation that Grok has no guardrails and can generate CSAM seems at best an anomaly or a lie.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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What a strange assumption. The training is "summon the lawyers immediately", "ensure they're accompanied at all times while on company premises", etc.

A raid with a warrant skips all that.

Not really? If the people want to get through the locked doors throughout the office, they'll need someone to let them through the doors. At least where I work, the receptionists don't have that access. They need to call people who do have universal door access to let them in. Unless the cops just want to battering-ram their way through all the doors for the fun of it...

Also, a raid without a warrant is not a raid. It's a friendly visit to someone's office.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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If you bothered to do any research instead of downplaying it, you’d know why. It’s embarrassing you even typed that out

In other words: "I know a thing, but I won't say what. I condemn you for not knowing the thing."

Grok is censored, there's no question. Try it yourself. It can't even handle analysing a 19th century woodcut engraving containing topless mythical beings[1]. Grok refused because Grok has guardrails.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wood_of_the_Self-Murderers...

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