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No vans are currently sold in the US with 4WD. The Sprinter and Transit are available in AWD, that's it. There are companies that will convert a van to 4WD but it's typically around $20,000 which is beyond the budget of most people.
2026 GMC Savana 3500 is first-party 4x4.
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it's a perceived must. when running "all season" tires year round the AWD inspires more confidence, and most people don't even know winter tires are a thing. Plus 4x4 only helps you start moving, but once you are, every car still only has 2 wheels to turn and 4 to stop, which are quite possibly more crucial in snow....
There was an anecdote that went something like "a 4x4 will just get you stuck worse then a 2wd" =) And, like you said, people think that an AWD car will stop faster. No, it'll just start moving faster, more traction doesn't make the brakes better or the road any less slippery. I owned a single 4WD car and it was super fun in the winter, but... when it's icy, you're most likely moving faster than you would be with a 2…
What does more traction mean unless it's that the road is effectively less slippery (to my vehicle)?
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> They don’t make economic sense and impossible to secure anything in the bed. I've never seen or known a trademan that drove a van. They all drive pickups. Maybe this is a regional thing.
That's strange. All the plumbers and HVAC guys in my area seem to drive vans.
Pickups are absolutely a regional affectation. I kinda want one, but I do not need one.
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8000 miles towing 10k lbs in a Cyber truck would be roughly 70 charging stops at an hour each 8000 miles towing 10k lbs in a diesel super duty would be 30 stops at 15 mins each. That's 70 hours vs 7.5 hours. Every 8000 miles
I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion. Also if you are one if the low single digit percentage of people who do long distance towing regularly then yeah, get a diesel. I was talking more about people who live in the suburbs and commute to work and back in their truck, never tow anything, and use the bed maybe twice a year. About 67% of truck owners in the US.
It's famous now...
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I have 3 vehicles, an old project jeep, an old truck, and a sedan. Sedan handles 99% of my driving, but can't really tow anything. Truck handles all of my towing stuff, but gets ~14mpg which hurts so I don't drive it. Jeep is a jeep, it's always being worked on, but when I use it I'm using it to go ride around on dirt paths or for camping. It gets 17-20mpg when I'm driving it but I don't want to drive it often. If th…
> I would feel very uncomfortable towing an empty 4x6 trailer behind my sedan, not to even mention the occasional couch or dresser or bunch of boxes from helping a friend move. Why? 1500 lbs rated tow hook on an average sedan should be no problem at all. And that's more than enough for a 4x6 with a couch and a couple of boxes. Might even get a slightly larger trailer so you don't have to take the couch apart. I've to…
With an Impreza.
That included highways in the Yukon that were more river rock than gravel, backwoods of Montana and Wyoming, you name it.
It was totally fine. Especially in a Subaru, with AWD and a low well centered center of gravity. I'd do it again.
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one time a year or less was the suffix for each of these, many more people fall into the once a month or so category. The economical thing to do is buy a civic and rent a truck the one time a year you use it for truck things.
How many people driving a civic never have someone in the back seat?
If you're saying "a less bad thing is still bad!" then your comment reads more like the "We should improve society somewhat. / Yet you participate in society. Curious! I am very intelligent." meme.
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Okay, so a Kia Sportage ought to do then, I guess?
I didn't really trust it for some of the logs I was moving, as the trailer hitch was added on after and the frame isn't really designed for shocks like what I was putting it through. On top of that, hauling messy stuff in the back was a pain with having to lay down tarp and hoping it caught everything and didn't rip. Plus, you can't really put a winch or snow plow on a Sportage.
I always find it kind of surprising how large a vehicle people in the US think they need to pull trailers, especially when you compare with the size of trailers people pull in the UK. My own elderly Range Rover (1990s P38A) has a plated towing weight of 3500kg which means you can pull another one on a trailer with it easily. With the back full of tools and spares and a couple of passengers, you've got an all-up weight well over six tonnes!
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2026 GMC Savana 3500 is first-party 4x4.
The only trims I see online at gmc dot com are RWD. Would you elucidate on this 4x4 option please?
It could also be just a further deal with Quigley. You can already order from a dealer with the 4x4 option, and your vehicle will go factory->Quigley->dealer and be sold to you as "new", with good warranties.
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> A pickup truck should just be max utility, especially if you're a manufacturer making your first one The modern US pickup truck isn't built for utility. It's a $60,000 four-door lifted luxobarge with leather interior and a short bed. It signals (perceived) wealth while preserving working-class alignment. It can also be justified by way of having to pick up used furniture for TikTok refinish and flip projects or bim…
Maybe temper your otherism a bit, and try reading this: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/opinion/marie-gluesenkamp... “Spreadsheets can contain a part of truth,” Ms. Gluesenkamp Perez told me. “But never all of truth.” Looking to illustrate this, I bought the recent book “White Rural Rage” and opened it more or less at random to a passage about rural pickup trucks. It cites a rich portfolio of data and even a schol…
Would you believe that moose are also hunted in places that have very few pickups?