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Re: Linux is good now

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Post by Dodrekai »

duttish wrote: post #170

I've been on Linux desktop for ages, but it's not quite stable enough that I can recommend it to anyone. Space Marine 2 was the first game in quite a while than didn't just work out of the box, but... E.g three weeks ago nvidia pushed bad drivers which broke my desktop after a reboot and I had to swap display (ctrl-alt-f3 etc), I never got into gnome at all, and roll back to an earlier version. Automatic rollback of…

Yes they are less shit for most people. I'm on PopOS and had both a 6650xt and a 6900xt. Almost all games works to the point Linux compatibility as become an afterthought for me now. The main tinkering is selecting a version of Proton or ProtonGE.I feel I have to do this less and less.

It's seems to be what most of AMD card experience, but i didn't dig on numbers.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by jcgl »

aidenn0 wrote: post #855
tigrezno wrote: post #615

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Gnome is bringing global shortcuts AFAIK in the next stable version

I bet dollars-to-donuts it won't work with X11 apps

I can’t speak to the GNOME side of things, but I’ve been enjoying global shortcuts on KDE Wayland for years now. No issues to report whatsoever.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by eru »

OJFord wrote: post #661
eru wrote: post #420

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Archlinux can be a pretty good choice for gaming. Not necessarily because of anything Archlinux does: most distros can do anything, if you configure them. No, just because the Steamdeck's distro is built on Arch, and so you can piggyback on what they are doing.

Arch is really in a sense the absence of a distro, but keeping a package manager with up to date packages. No bloat bundled, just install exactly what you want. I don't see why 'piggyback on what [Steam deck is] doing' wouldn't work just as well on any distro, you'd just have a load of extra stuff you're not using too. That's nothing against Arch, it's what I use, I'm just saying really the only magic is in doing les…

> Arch is really in a sense the absence of a distro, but keeping a package manager with up to date packages. No bloat bundled, just install exactly what you want.

You might be right in terms of a desktop environment. But Arch does have its own opinions, eg it picks systemd by default. And it gives you a default kernel that has a few patches applied and a config picked for you.

> I don't see why 'piggyback on what [Steam deck is] doing' wouldn't work just as well on any distro, you'd just have a load of extra stuff you're not using too.

Yes, that was in my original comment. However setting up all the configs take a bit of time, and with Arch you can just literally copy large parts of the config files from the Steam deck.

One advantage that Arch has over many distros: as a rolling distributions it's usually easier to get up-to-date packages, you mostly get them by default.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by sgc »

ruszki wrote: post #970
sgc wrote: post #969

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Because having so many unsolvable problems would be an extreme edge case (if you had one, it would be much more likely a bug than a basket full of what you are calling unsolvable problems), and there are a lot of bad setting recommendations out there which make it rather difficult to find the right one for your device. It can take quite a bit of experience and quite a bit of persistence - which is again, as I said, n…

If you check a thread about GrapheneOS, almost everybody praises it, and many even state that everything works. If you look into it however, a ton of things simply don’t work, and they just don’t care. Heck, even in this thread there are people like that. They just flat out state, that “it works perfectly”, then a few sentence later “x, y, z don’t work”. So, how should I know that 25+ years of Linux knowledge, custom…

I have about the same amount of experience with Linux, more on the tinkering and sysadmin/full stack side than custom building (although of course I have to use custom kernel module loading etc), and I still learn a lot more from research on a specific new-to-me problem than from my bank of knowledge. When it's new to me and Vantablack opaque as is the Linux way, I ask rather than waste my time.

What grinds my gears on Linux even more than that is that is is fundamentally unsafe [1], and you can only approach mitigating it. And nobody really cares. I use it because it's the least bad of the major 3 OSes, and I do want a community that can help. But I don't pretend to love it unreservedly. Perhaps I should move to a BSD, but the ecosystem keeps me here.

And I understand if you are certain there are bugs that will be ignored based on your past experiences, I too would be poorly motivated. I am not trying to convince you that you don't know what you know you know. But you can understand that my first take when reading a comment on the internet, even on HN, is that there is always more annoying-and-almost-impossible-to-discover config work to do.

[1] See https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/linux.html and https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/guides/linux-harden...

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by johnnyanmac »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #2

I think its interesting that mainstream PC gaming press is now talking about Linux. We have the benchmark Youtube channels doing some benchmarks of it as well and plenty of reports of "it just works", which is pretty promising at least for the games that aren't intentionally excluded by DRM. For me its still controllers and equipment incompatibility due to my VR headset and sim wheel/pedals setup, I use Linux everywh…

>which is pretty promising at least for the games that aren't intentionally excluded by DRM.

Sadly, those exclusions are pretty big asks for the common folk. That's always what it comes down to. Some killer tool you need for whatever reason that either doesn't work on Linux, or is severely compromised.

I'm very comfortable with Linux, but my work still requires Unreal Engine. And good luck getting that going in Linux. So I'm stuck with dual booting at the bare minimum.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by johnnyanmac »

GuB-42 wrote: post #685
MegaDeKay wrote: post #288

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I'd say there are two remaining roadblocks. First and biggest is kernel level anti-cheat frameworks as you point out. But there's also no open source HDMI 2.1 implementation allowed by the HDMI cartel so people like me with an AMD card max out at 4K60 even for open source games like Visual Pinball (unless you count an adapter with hacked firmware between the card and the display). NVidia and Intel get away with it be…

This is kind of a niche problem. It only affects people with AMD GPUs running games at over 4k60 with HDMI. Get an NVidia or stay at 60 FPS or stay at 1080p or use DisplayPort and you will be fine. It is not really a roadblock, more like a bump, and it is not the only bump by far. Some games just don't run on Linux, or quite terribly and they don't have a big enough community for people to care. Sometimes one of your…

>Get an NVidia

Sadly becoming less and less an option given recent news. And if you run a laptop like me, you may not be able to choose your ports.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by spockz »

jetbalsa wrote: post #103
spockz wrote: post #56

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Gaming works fine with exception of things like BF6 that require kernel level anti cheat. The one thing I haven’t been able to get working reliably is steam remote play with the Linux machine as host. Most games work fine, others will only capture black screens.

if you are running KDE you can whitelist Steam for remote desktop work, this is because of wayland.

I get to see the Steam Big Picture albeit very laggy. Also the games I tried such as Transport Fever 2 and Valheim are streamed and visible but still noticeably laggy. Only some games such as Arc Raiders yield a black image.

Re: Linux is good now

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Post by rasmus-kirk »

chuckadams wrote: post #955
rasmus-kirk wrote: post #751

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Not the guy you're replying to but Home manager: https://rasmuskirk.com/articles/2024-07-24_dont-use-nixos/

There's one sentence in there I wanted to call out: > Everything had to be done the “Nix Way” Funny thing, what eventually drew me into using NixOS was a comment on some random forum (long since lost the reference) from what appeared to be an experienced NixOS veteran that said pretty much the opposite: that NixOS is as pure or impure as you want it to be. Want purely declarative everything? Do everything with Nix ex…

A lot of scripts and binaries don't work properly if not installed through Nix. This can really affect your workflow if you depend on random niche software not packaged by Nix.

When I started my first job I couldn't build their TypeScript project because it depended on GRPC on NPM. That NPM package is literally just a binary...

This isn't really the fault of NixOS, but it's wildly impractical as long as the world is stuck where it is. I've recently considered going back into NixOS and spinning up Podman Ubuntu containers for stateful dev environments (with my home-manager programs included, of course). It's sort of the reverse approach, instead of Nix being a second-class citizen on Ubuntu, I want Ubuntu to be a second-class Citizen on Nix.

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