And the UK is pushing for age checks on VPNs https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/63901/documents/746... >regulations which prohibit the provision to UK children of a Relevant VPN Service (the “child VPN prohibition”).
Australia begins enforcing world-first teen social media ban
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#972I was in college when this really cool idea came out: a social network database which only college students could join , regulating access to students@*.edu emails, only [obviously: TheFaceBook]. When distant relatives began sending `friend request`s, just a few years later, I left that platform forever . Seems like local school districts could reintroduce such a platform (perhaps one already exists) for class discus…
It's interesting that, in almost every proposed solution, there is a degree of moderation involved. There simply is no way around it.
Life in moderation, even with tech.
I've used an outbound-only landline, for going on two years; the previous two decades I always carried a work cell phone. It's incredible that even years later, if I happen to hear my former ringtone (used by other people), or hear that familiar `buzzing` sound: I still get anxious feeling like I must respond to these ficticious nobodies...
The portability of the cell phone is IMHO what made it so addictive / disruptive. Back when most computers didn't fit into our pockets society had clearly delineated spaces between online/offline — now everything is connect so nothing is...
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These are government regulations regarding kids. Nothing new here, we’ve been regulating what you can market to kids for decades. I’m not buying a slippery slope argument. As a parent myself, it definitely helps when you can collectively avoid having your kids on these platforms. I can’t express how much easier it is to restrict it and not seem like a kook when authorities are also on board.
> As a parent myself, it definitely helps when you can collectively avoid having your kids on these platforms. I can’t express how much easier it is to restrict it and not seem like a kook when authorities are also on board. This pattern of thought is exactly the issue. Stop offloading parenting of your children to government! That won't end well for neither children nor adults.
Are environmental laws are a way of off-loading all environmental care to the government?
Are laws against violence a way of off-loading physical protection to the government?
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> Does this new ban move kids to using email to keep in touch with friends and family? You had social media but no ability to send DMs? In an attempt to not deliberately misinterpret you, next to zero of my current ability to keep in touch with anyone in my life via the internet, distant or otherwise, depends on social media, so forgive me if this seems like a strange take. Kids need access to YouTube in order to tal…
> In an attempt to not deliberately misinterpret you, […] Kids need access to YouTube in order to talk to their family? Your attempt has failed; obviously I’m not taking about YouTube, but about things like WhatsApp, Telegram, WeChat, Instagram, and other social media which families actually use to talk to each other on a dialy basis. Perhaps you don’t use these, but most of the world population uses some of these (o…
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The attempt is to remove the market do exploiting the attention of children for profit. This doesn’t have to be perfect to be worth it. What’s more, the idea that this puts children at the mercy of authoritarians is laughable. The US tech industry has shown us beyond doubt that they are perfectly ok with genuine authoritarians in charge, provided the dollars keep rolling. Fuck them, and good on ya Australia.
What about future governments in Australia? This is ripe for abuse and scope creep. It also ties a uniform ID to an account, simplifying tracking and surveillance by corporations and governments. Plus, this is asking everyone in the country to give up their biometrics (face scanning is one implementation) or link your government issued ID to your social media account (look at the UK to see how this turned out - peopl…
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> normalising people uploading identification documents and hence lead to people becoming victims of scams We've long lost this war. I'm in Italy, staying at my 3rd Airbnb. I was surprised when the first asked me, casually, to drop a photograph of my passport in the chat. I checked with Claude: yep, that's the law. (I'll remind you that Italy is in the EU.) On checking into this place last week, the guy just took a p…
I'm pretty sure in most places in the world if you are travelling from abroad you are asked to share your passport, and have been for a very very very very long time. The difference between sending it over a chat and handing it over to a clerk (who then photocopies it or types in the data into the computer) feels almost academic. Though at least "Typing it into the computer" doesn't leave them with a picture, just mo…
- Fraudster has to bribe hotel staff, or get on staff and then work there and steal documents. Tricky.
New attack vector:
- Fraudster rents out Airbnb. Trivial.
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The age check push isn’t about checking ages it’s about linking IRL identity to account.
Yes and no, it depends. But that the standards/services don't exist is more an issue as it prevents doing it correctly and safely. Most websites that will/already need to verify someones age are not capable of doing so safely.
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#979I "endured" the same simply by virtue of my upbringing: our parents de facto banned not only social media but even just mobile phones until our mid teens. Can't say I mourn it, quite the opposite. So, good move by our Aussie friends.
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> let their kids hang out any place where that stuff you report is common, if it's at all possible to avoid it. You're talking about cutting kids from all online services, including multiplayer games and community wikis. It also means your kid has no experience of online interactions with strangers, basically no SNS literacy, which also sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me.
> It also means your kid has no experience of online interactions with strangers, basically no SNS literacy, which also sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me. I think it would be better to allow them to be exposed to all this in a later phase, once, for example, they have plenty of experience with offline interactions with strangers. Learn how to walk, then learn how to run. I really don't think the opposite…
While doing small talk at the bus stop, telling someone you go to the middle school over there is small talk. Doing the same online is asking for problems.
Online interaction require a completely different mindset for a kid, it's a big enough gap IMHO to be treated as a separate thing that can be learned in parallel of offline interactions.
You can learn to swim while learning to walk.