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Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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What a weird take. What does this have to do with DEI?

Well, if everyone and their dog gets special status due to DEI, it apparently makes even more people want to join in on the fun. Isn't that obvious?

No? "DEI" has nothing to do with the ADA.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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>Another big accommodation request is extra time on tests. Yep. Speaking from experience, top colleges will give students with ADHD or similar conditions as much as double time or more on exams. One college I know of sends them to a disability services office to proctor it, in which they simply don't enforce time limits at all. Coincidentally, there's an overwhelming number of students with ADHD compared to before th…

having infinite time on exams is level of the the ADHD cheating iceberg level 2 of the ADHD cheating iceberg is having medically approved methamphetamines to infinistudy before exams e.g. ritalin

Hahahahaha, I wish, but no. That's not how it works.

I take Adderall and literally fall asleep because it lets my brain shut down. It _decreases_ my anxiety.

I don't get high or hyper off of it, it literally just lets me function enough to do my laundry. It's honestly like wearing glasses.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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It really seems strange to me that single rooms haven't become the norm, especially in light of how many people clearly prefer them. It's one thing to share a kitchen or bathroom in an apartment, but after college, how many people ever share bedrooms with anyone except a partner?

More single young adults 18-29 live with a roommate than alone. Of course people clearly prefer living alone. But it's more expensive. Housing is already expensive, so something that makes it even more expensive is possibly not the best idea. >In 1990 7.4% of single young adults were living with a roommate, increasing to 8.1% in 2000. From 2010 through 2022 the share was stable, reaching 8.7% in 2022. >From 1990 thro…

>with a roommate

But in the same bedroom? Because outside the context of a college dorm, I don't think I've really come across "roommate" as referring to sharing a bedroom, and sharing a 2BR apartment is a significantly different situation.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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This mentality is defeatist. I rather lose fairly than cheat to win.

"Cheat" might not be the most helpful way to think about this particular situation. More like a glitch in a multiplayer game.[1] It's not "cheating" in that players are using the system as-is, and after a critical mass of people adopt it, there is no way to play competitively without it. The simple answer becomes to patch the behavior out of the system, although that is rarely popular with the people who have adopted…

It is cheating if you are not handicapped but request housing accomodation as such.

"Cheating" is extremely damaging to the fabric of the society, making it zero-trust, while also making people lose the ability to win fairly, either because they cheat all the time, or everyone around them does.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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So I was little confused until I realized the source was a libertarian outlet. If it wasn't obvious from the piece, the popup asking for donations to fight "socialism" should be the nail in the coffin. This explains the extrapolation of data and drawing broad conclusions from it. They seemed to have enter the article with a bias that disability only means physical and that most if not all mental disability is a perso…

On your latter point, see the Cass Review. The authors established that the medical guidelines are indeed insufficiently informed by scientific research and that the evidence base is very weak. Clinicians in that space may not be intending to cause harm but there is no reliable evidence that their interventions are helping. Also, whistleblowers have expressed these concerns including that this subfield is too ideologically driven.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Doesn't satisfy the ADA. Department of Ed will sue and say that an accomodation given to everybody is no accomodation at all.

Are you implying that if someone walks up a wheelchair ramp, then the building is violating the ADA?

No, of course not, that'd be ridiculous. Where did you see that in my post?

To explain in more detail. The ADA says that an accommodation is when an entity (business, employer, school) makes a change of behavior. Installing a wheelchair ramp in an older inaccessible building is an accomodation. Granting extra time is an accomodation. Simply having accessible buildings or excessive time is not an accomodation.

But why the lawyers treat it differently. Business feel comfortable, when they have a ramp, arguing that no accommodation is necessary for the wheelchair bound. The standards of accessible physical design are clear. Schools do not feel comfortable saying that no accommodation is necessary for mental health issues, ever. Their lawyers advise them that it's much better to give some sort of accomodation and argue in court about sufficient accomodations vs giving no accomodation at all.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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In my uni, students often don't even need a medical diagnosis to get certain accommodations.

This has created a kind of symbiosis between the wellbeing officers who make careers off of many students needing accommodations, and fit and healthy students who get academic advantages from being "diagnosed" disabled.

There are obviously students with genuine needs, and the wellbeing people are usually very nice and extremely empathic and caring. So you end up looking like a cruel asshole when you try to point out the perverse incentives within this system.

It's perfect.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Have you considered the fact that you may be neurodivergent? Your assumption that you’ve never met a neurodivergent co-worker is surprising. From what I understand, some autistic people assume everyone has the same worldview and agenda as they do, they lack a theory of mind. I’m not making this accusation about you, I’m bringing it up because I find it surprising that everyone you’ve worked with is neurotypical. I ca…

> I’m bringing it up because I find it surprising that everyone you’ve worked with is neurotypical. So there are two potential explanations there. The one where I don't see neurodivergence where it does exist and the other one where you do see it where it does not. Would you be OK with 50/50 probability each of these options being right as the baseline assumption?

Yeah, I’d be fine with assuming either one of us could be correct as a baseline. I hesitated when posting this at first because it’s hard to ask that question without sounding like an asshole, I appreciate the measured response as I was not trying to be aggressive.

Like you said, my perception of neurodivergence in others could be entirely incorrect, I have no way of knowing.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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American society is at the point where if you don't play these sort of games/tricks, you'll get out-competed by those who do. Bleak.

I've made it a principle to live my life according to certain ideals - one of which is not to play these games/tricks. I'm doing better than fine. Have others who cheated done better than me? Sure - some have. Why should I care? I'm a high income earner and I don't need an even wealthier life. I am not at all an outlier. If you're amongst a crowd that won't value you for not cheating, it's on you to change the crowd…

> I've made it a principle to live my life according to certain ideals

What are your ideals?

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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I'm mostly a law professor these days. When final-exam time rolls around (as in, this week), I raise my eyebrows when I'm sent the list of students who get 50% extra time. I wouldn't presume to judge the propriety of any given student's accommodation. But many of the accommodated students seem to have done just fine in class discussions during the semester. FTA: "Unnecessary accommodations are a two-front form of che…

I don't see how getting 50% extra time on exams is anything remotely close to cheating. Almost nothing I do in my day to day job comes close to being as time-boxed or arbitrarily restrictive as exams were in college.

> I don't see how getting 50% extra time on exams is anything remotely close to cheating.

If you lie about having a disability to get extra time, you're falsely gaining an advantage over other students taking the same test. That's cheating.

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