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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by hjkl0 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #631
jayveeone wrote: post #607

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It’s a very high hill to die on, expecting Israeli civilians to prioritize the lives of enemies over their own. Any historical precedent, or are we entering into the fuzzy realm of uncharted morality?

The war in Gaza did not save a single Israeli’s life. Hundreds of Israeli are dead because of it though, many through accidents and friendly fire.

So it’s not about prioritizing lives, it’s about prioritizing ideologies.

And the pervasive ideology in Israel is that Palestinians are not people, and therefore our children, the IDF soldiers who daily target them, are not war criminals.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by bigyabai »

dotancohen wrote: post #956
ciconia wrote: post #954

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This is spot on. This has been a recurring practice of the Israeli regime - to take advantage of a terrorist attack or some other pretext in order to take over additional territory and remove the local population. This modus operandi has been practiced since right after the partition resolution at the end of 1947 to conquer Palestinian villages, remove their inhabitants and rase the houses to the ground, and is still…

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> One would think that if people don't want to lose land, they should not set out to make war.

What a perverse, meaningless justification. This statement reflects your own insecurity - you would never let someone say this if it was Israeli territory being contested. You would never have to say this if Israel didn't possess illegally claim, genocide and then colonize annexed territory in violation of international law.

Reprehensible double standard.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by dotancohen »

bigyabai wrote: post #973
dotancohen wrote: post #956

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> One would think that if people don't want to lose land, they should not set out to make war. What a perverse, meaningless justification. This statement reflects your own insecurity - you would never let someone say this if it was Israeli territory being contested. You would never have to say this if Israel didn't possess illegally claim, genocide and then colonize annexed territory in violation of international law…

  > This statement reflects your own insecurity
Exactly. Unlike the US, there are no large oceans or seas surrounding Israel and keeping our enemies away. Our enemies are right on our borders, we are extremely insecure.

What deterrent do we have? Attack us, loose land. That's it. That's our only deterrent.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by neoromantique »

falconroar wrote: post #790
Animats wrote: post #115

“Israel has built the most efficient starvation machine you can imagine.” There's political opposition to this within Israel. Here's what happened to an elected member of the Knesset who spoke out against the cruelty in Gaza.[1] He was forcibly removed from the podium of the Knesset. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDxV7jnAos

A Pew poll in 2022 found that about half (48%) of Israeli Jews agree that Arabs should be expelled or transferred from Israel. Horrifying statistic.

Now do Arab polls.

Seriously, you can't apply western standards to middle eastern coumtry, even more so, single out one ME country to apply them to.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by PoignardAzur »

tguvot wrote: post #490
jacobgorm wrote: post #277

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See this Tucker Carlson interview with a former US special forces colonel who worked distributing aid in Gaza https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjEMbHXM4Q

the one that was fired for misconduct, begged to get his job back and threatened that he will become their nightmare in case they don't rehire him ? sounds very reliable. https://ghf.org/press-briefing-ghf-addresses-personnel-matte...

That's what the GHF claims, yes. To be clear, they haven't shown any documentation showing that he was fired, while Aguilar did show letters and messages sent by GHF hailing him as a great colleague and saying they were sad to see him go.

The only material evidence GHF has shown are small chunks of SMS conversations that are perfectly compatible with the "Aguilar was trying to convince GHF leadership to change policies" hypothesis, and WhatsApp broadcast of Aguilar telling his staff they were doing a great job.

Meanwhile, Aguilar has multiple photos and videos showing the conditions aid was distributed in which you can see right now on Youtube, testimony of seeing the GHF security contractors firing into crowds (to which the GHF replied by saying its contractors only fired above crowds, still a Geneva Convention violation), statistics that showed that people got shot during every single GHF distribution, matching testimony from Palestinian doctors and journalists and IDF whistleblowers, etc.

The evidence is overwhelming unless your curiosity cuts off as soon as you read the GHF damage control statements.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by flyinglizard »

hjkl0 wrote: post #971
flyinglizard wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a very high hill to die on, expecting Israeli civilians to prioritize the lives of enemies over their own. Any historical precedent, or are we entering into the fuzzy realm of uncharted morality?

The war in Gaza did not save a single Israeli’s life. Hundreds of Israeli are dead because of it though, many through accidents and friendly fire. So it’s not about prioritizing lives, it’s about prioritizing ideologies. And the pervasive ideology in Israel is that Palestinians are not people, and therefore our children, the IDF soldiers who daily target them, are not war criminals.

Deferring this war is what placed Hamas in a position to attack on October 7th. Never again.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sudosysgen wrote: post #968
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #626

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> Israel lost the information/media war so damn badly that it may genuinely not recover from this Israel probably came out ahead if all they lost is prestige. They've neutered Iran and become the de facto regional security power. Their weapons and military have been validated, which makes than a desirable trading partner in an increasingly-militarising world. And they're turning into a gas exporter. Worst case, a gen…

Iran being neutered is propaganda that is necessary for the (failed, for now) Israeli plan of regime change. Iran maintains the ability to build ballistic missiles in large numbers, greatly depleted Israel-US BMD reserves, continues to build even more reinforced nuclear sites. Neutering those capabilities was the main goal of the 12 day war and by most accounts, that didn't work. Israel did not manage air superiority…

> Iran being neutered is propaganda that is necessary for the (failed, for now) Israeli plan of regime change. Iran maintains the ability to build ballistic missiles in large numbers

Iran hasn't been neutralised. It was just reduced to a non-threat during the war. Of course it maintains future capabilities that could be threatening.

> That's not something you do when you've managed to neuter your opponent

Why not? It's an information war.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by wonderwonder »

RobertoG wrote: post #335
wonderwonder wrote: post #307

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Nonsense, this is about the land. Israel wants Gaza and the West Bank, and who knows what more, and if they have to go genocidal to getting it, they will. So simple like that. Any other explanation is just obfuscation of this obvious fact.

Just so we are clear, Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor and we eventually nuked them killing 250k. Was that an international war crime? Al Qaeda attacked us and killed 3000 Americans and in response we killed about 200k Afghanis. Was that a war crime?

Israel has simply responded as any other country would to the attack.

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