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Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by archeantus »

gradientsrneat wrote: post #947
archeantus wrote: post #586

If you want a good job in tech, go look at Walmart’s job board in the coming weeks. They literally have thousands of Indians doing all kinds of jobs that could easily be done by Americans. I liked my time there, and there’s lots of great people, but it felt very clear that the system was being abused.

Was this comment posted before on other threads or is it just me? Not saying it isn't relevant to the discussion, but it does seem to be worded the same.

Nope. This is the original. Maybe someone else took my idea

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by Kerrick »

zahlman wrote: post #613
archeantus wrote: post #586

If you want a good job in tech, go look at Walmart’s job board in the coming weeks. They literally have thousands of Indians doing all kinds of jobs that could easily be done by Americans. I liked my time there, and there’s lots of great people, but it felt very clear that the system was being abused.

I have to say, when one thinks of jobs available at Walmart, tech doesn't exactly come to mind first.

Walmart were early adopters of Node.js. Here's a 2012 article about it: https://web.archive.org/web/20221004193240/https://venturebe...

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by snovymgodym »

myrmidon wrote: post #273

One thing that really pisses me off about the whole populist anti-immigration stance is how thankless, hypocritical and selfish the whole thing is: People want to avoid negative effects from immigration (cultural/language/crimerate)- fine. But are those people acknowledging how much economical growth was driven by migrant labor over the last half century? Hell no. Would the average alt-righter be willing to sacrifice…

"economic growth" and "GDP" are numbers on a spreadsheet which are only important to economists who serve the elite.

Meanwhile for the last half century the average American has seen declining wealth and wage growth when adjust for inflation, while elite wealth has grown immensely during the same time period. So who is benefitting from "economic growth"? [1]

This is due to many factors, but I'm wholly unconvinced by the neoliberal notion that high immigration doesn't undercut domestic wages.

[1] https://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by nashashmi »

Animats wrote: post #725

The $100,000 fee isn't the real route to a visa. See the proclamation text: [1] (c) The restriction imposed pursuant to subsections (a) and (b) of this section shall not apply to any individual alien, all aliens working for a company, or all aliens working in an industry, if the Secretary of Homeland Security determines, in the Secretary’s discretion, that the hiring of such aliens to be employed as H-1B specialty oc…

Why is DHS getting involved? It should be the sec of state. They issue visas. Or have things changed?

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Post by winter_blue »

wonderwonder wrote: post #603
stephen_cagle wrote: post #581

This straight 100k to the top is not a good way to implement this. It should be a percentage (say 50%, we can talk about what the number should actually be) of the total compensation that is being paid to the H1B. We should also just completely remove caps on H1B. This allows companies that truly want extraordinary talent to pay a premium to acquire it with no red tape . It also makes it far less likely that they can…

I disagree, why would they then not just hire the H1B at 50k and pay a 25K fee. 100k flat annual fee plus the new minimum 150k salary returns the H1B program to its original purpose of allowing US companies to hire truly exceptional foreign workers who have skills US workers do not. This allows companies to do just that and pay for it and at the same time protects the jobs and job prospects of US workers

> purpose of allowing US companies to hire truly exceptional foreign workers

You're wrong on the purpose of it. The O-1 visa is for "exceptional" workers. The H-1B is for normal people.

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by cerved »

hx8 wrote: post #536
guyzero wrote: post #248

Everyone in these threads always points out all sorts of issues with the H1B system, which are mostly true, but it's not like there's a suggestion for a replacement here. This is a de facto shutdown of the program, not a reform. I'd be happy to see a reformed skilled immigration program for the US, but this isn't it. The US makes up about 4.5% of the global population and it seems silly to think that the FAANG compan…

> This is a de facto shutdown of the program No, this is just another tariff. If it costs $200k/yr to employee an H1B Software Engineer, and you expect them to work for you for 3 years, it raises the cost of employment from $200k/yr to $233k/yr. It'll discourage people from applying on the margins, which will bring the application rate down and acceptance rate up.

It's not a tariff

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Post by esalman »

beAbU wrote: post #841
esalman wrote: post #2

All it'll do is replace competent workers who don't have $100k to spare, with incompetent workers who have the money.

False dichotomy. Why would only incompetent workers have the 100k to spare?

There's a reason why corrupt politicians and extortionists all over the world choose to retire in the US.

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Post by beefnugs »

cogman10 wrote: post #36

IMO, the fee is the wrong thing that needs adjusting. It's the salary that should be adjusted. The minimum salary for an H1B should be $200k. It's something like 50k right now which is ridiculous especially with all the restrictions an applicant is under. It both suppresses wages and abuses the worker.

They arent "trying to fix it" they are setting it up as corruptible, game-able, politically weaponizable

Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says

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Post by Gud »

the_real_cher wrote: post #310
guyzero wrote: post #248

Everyone in these threads always points out all sorts of issues with the H1B system, which are mostly true, but it's not like there's a suggestion for a replacement here. This is a de facto shutdown of the program, not a reform. I'd be happy to see a reformed skilled immigration program for the US, but this isn't it. The US makes up about 4.5% of the global population and it seems silly to think that the FAANG compan…

Yeah but no offense if you're paid the same as your peers, you're not necessarily exceptional. There's literally millions of talented Americans out of work in the tech industry right now while companies continue to hire H1B. The companies post impossible requirement job ads in obscure locations..to get around the requirements to hire Americans first.

If you're exceptional, by definition so are your peers.
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