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Post by qcnguy »

slg wrote: post #897
hnuser123456 wrote: post #870

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote cited in TFA claims that the murderer was "one of them". Now, why would someone take out a prominent spokesperson for their own party? They wouldn't, because that's not something that people do to other people they agree with. But somehow, people interpret that remark to make sense? The remark only makes sense if "one of them" refers to the fact the shooter was a white male, and the reader believes all whit…

>Now, why would someone take out a prominent spokesperson for their own party? They wouldn't, because that's not something that people do to other people they agree with. This is why I think the American government is doomed in its current construction. First past the post voting has conditioned people like you to believe that everything is binary. You describe a world with only two parties that can have no dissentio…

The US isn't designed to ensure a two party system. FPTP can allow many parties. The UK is an example of that.

America has two parties because both parties are very internally open. Democrats have given up on that in the last few primaries but that's still very new, and Republicans are still open. You can enter as an outsider and take over the parties. That's how the Republicans ended up with Trump.

If the two parties were less internally democratic you'd see the same situation in the UK where there are two dominant parties and a bunch of smaller parties that occasionally end up in coalition but mostly act to push the main parties around by threatening to take too many votes.

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Post by throwmeaway222 »

suzdude wrote: post #965
throwmeaway222 wrote: post #954

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I'm pretty sure Luigi was celebrated on the left far more. I'm pretty sure CK's death was celebrated on the left far more too. https://www.azfamily.com/2024/12/20/1-4-americans-sympathize... > It found 28% of people who identified as liberal supported the murder, compared to 5% of conservatives. Both the left and the right (which tends to be poorer right now) are massively affected by the cost and non-coverage of ins…

> The LEFT WING is violent right now. The facts really don't agree with you on that: https://old.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1nksbmg/guy_...

I just posted the fact, 28% of people on the left supported luigi mangione. only 5% on the right.

AND LUIGI HELPED PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT MORE!

Engage with the facts.

The post you have is a guy with 100k subs

Destiny has nearly a million and has been incensing the situation.

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Post by computerthings »

ceejayoz wrote: post #702
spl757 wrote: post #690

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This is exactly what Gavin Newsom is doing. It holds a mirror up and forces the right to address the ridiculousness of how trump communicates.

But they generally either do not get it or pretend not to get it. The tactic only works on people who have shame. Politicians used to resign for consensual sex.

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Post by qcnguy »

croon wrote: post #962
somenameforme wrote: post #950

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There was a lot of fake news following the shooting trying to suggest that the shooter was MAGA and decided to kill Charlie Kirk because he 'wasn't MAGA enough.' In particular a photoshopped image of him wearing a MAGA shirt was shared millions of times on social media [1], along with suggestions he was a "groyper" which is apparently some fringe right wing group. You can see the substantial impact of this by looking…

I have never seen that photo, and the one supporting source for the claim that fake news was spread is someone who apparently runs this[1]? I was not familiar with the term before either, but afaict it was based on the the shell casing engravings, halloween costumes etc, which I don't believe have been refuted [2]? Not that this matters to the topic at hand as that isn't a claim Kimmel made either way, nor does it pl…

Kimmel made that exact claim. Fake news has been spread by the left by way more people than him. The lying is so far off the charts that the left is having a massive collective break from reality. YouGov has found Democrats mostly believe that Kirk's killer was either right wing, or they aren't sure.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52988-donald-trum...

Even The Atlantic has had to admit that this is stupid and they can't work out why anyone believes it. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/charlie-ki...

> "The evidence that Robinson was a “Groyper”—a member of an online further-right-than-thou movement that had harassed Kirk and President Donald Trump—was paltry. Why did anyone believe that idea to begin with? Already it bore the marks of an incipient conspiracy theory, a soothing nugget of esoteric knowledge, suppressed for political purposes. Many of those suckered in were victims of their own motivated reasoning. It hurts to admit that a movement you like has produced a bad person, and it hurts even more to admit that bitter truth to a gloating member of a movement you hate."

They're soothing themselves. Nobody on the right is "gloating" over Kirk being killed. This really happened because leftists have deliberately tried to confuse everyone about the truth. On their safe space Bluesky they even admit to it:

https://substack.com/@mrandyngo/note/c-157561235

> "Anyway probably for the best if everyone asserts he's a Groyper whether he is or not. The narrative really does matter more than the truth in this case"

> "Lying to flood the news is good actually"

> "Spending the last week repeating that the killer was one of the right's own may have helped take the wind out of their sails. Regardless of whether that ends up being true it was rhetorically useful in the interim. Now you can pivot. Nobody is going to care what your last position was."

These tactics work. The internet has filled up with leftists who genuinely believe Kirk was killed for not being right wing enough, and anyone who tries to talk them back to reality gets answers like "I won't read any right wing sources". It's a self-created filter bubble of madness.

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Post by D-Machine »

basch wrote: post #968
D-Machine wrote: post #945

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Thing is, even if the "trying to portray [him] as anything other than..." reading was intended and the correct reading, the statement is still closer to the opposite of the truth. Granted, it is not reasonable to expect everyone to have been terminally online for this issue, but even before this statement was made, it was clear if you visited places with right-wing bias (e.g. 4chan) that almost no one was concerned t…

>almost no one was concerned this guy might be MAGA. But that's not what he's saying. He was saying "they were quick to paint him as blue tribe before knowing his tribe." It is just constructed like a sentence that ambiguously also means "desperately constructing that he was not red tribe." >Red tribe media gleefully pointing out left/progressive connections Which is synonymous with what JK said. That the reaction wa…

He literally said "with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them". Interpretation hinges on the "desperately" here, but your reading of this as him saying "they were quick to paint him as blue tribe before knowing his tribe" is far too distant from the literal words. The right were not "desperate" to distance him from MAGA or red tribe, because that was never a strong position given reason and the evidence, which pointed, if anywhere, towards blue tribe. The "desperation", if anywhere, was on the left linking him to MAGA, because it was very clear, even then, to anyone who read beyond Reddit "best" comments, that the links to the left were far stronger and more reasonable. Kimmel's phrasing not just implied, but directly stated that the desperation was in the opposite place to where it was in actuality, and so strongly implied a preponderance of evidence in a direction opposite to the general direction dictated by reason and evidence already known at that time. So no, there is not the synonymity you claim.

As others have pointed out, this kind of insinuation is very hard to see as anything other than deliberate, given basic media literacy and how modern media operates (https://www.themotte.org/post/3263/culture-war-roundup-for-t...). To save you a click:

> The "desperation" implies a sort of losing battle that they're grasping at straws to prove something that's factually wrong, rather than simply stating truths that are obvious, evident and obviously evident. "Desperate" is a subjective judgment call, of course, so Kimmel absolutely deserves zero government censorship for this, by my lights; all it does is show that his judgment is so bad that it reflects poorly on the judgment of people who hired him as a host for a show like that. That MAGA was trying to characterize the murderer as anything other than MAGA is arguably a bland, neutral fact about reality, but that MAGA was desperately trying to do so is a judgment call that shows extremely poor ability to observe reality or to discern reality.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

nebula8804 wrote: post #487
thehappypm wrote: post #467

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“All media” is a huge stretch.. legacy hyper regulated media maybe

YouTube recently introduced an AI-driven policy that automatically places suspected under-18 accounts into Restricted Mode, which blocks access to political and news content. This happens because lots of people are sharing accounts with their kids and despite Youtubers attempts to change this there are large amount of viewers who actually dont subscribe to channels. This change has already caused independent creators…

Why would you expect Substack and Patreon to be any better ?

They are platforms too, and US-based too, and IIRC Patreon has already been caught at least twice engaging in censorship : against some right-wingers, and some porn.

(They are at least less able to manipulate speech through recommendations I guess...)

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Post by harbingerofdoom »

giardini wrote: post #947
gengwyn wrote: post #797

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As Sam Harris so eloquently put it: "What's the point of having 'fuck you' money if you never actually say 'fuck you'?"

Sort of like Vladimir Putin would say: "What's the point of having nuclear weapons if you never actually nuke someone?"

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Post by nobody9999 »

snitty wrote: post #239
Waterluvian wrote: post #217

The left wing cancel culture era was stupid, annoying, and wrong, and this upcoming right wing era is bound to be much more stupid, annoying, and wrong.

I, too, remember when Obama has the FCC commissioner threaten to revoke broadcast licenses for the coverage of his tan suit. This type of both-sides-ism is dumb, especially here when one side is using the power of the federal government to get dissenting voices taken off the air.

>I, too, remember when Obama has the FCC commissioner threaten to revoke broadcast licenses for the coverage of his tan suit.

I can't find any specific references to that. Is there a statement from an FCC commissioner or from Obama when he was president?

I'd really like to see such statements.

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