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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by HelloNurse »

incomingpain wrote: post #912

I’m Canadian, and US politics is a massive distraction and influence on ours. It gives me an objective view of their system because their problems often spill over into ours. I usually try to avoid diving into US politics, so I didn’t follow Charlie. Still, he was deeply respected by all of my political allies in Canada. I don’t know all of his positions, but I’d bet we agreed a lot. One thing that’s shifted in my li…

  >  Democrats regularly dehumanized and attacked Republicans as fascists and racists.
But a lot of Republicans are not only fascists and racists, but liars and demagogues beyond any hope of discussion in good faith. What can be done about them apart from trying to convince the public that they are bad?

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by variadix »

goku12 wrote: post #859

I completely disagree with Charlie Kirk's rather unsympathetic preachings on many topics. But this act - it gives me a very sinking feeling. What worries me more than the yet undetermined identity of the killer is how a lot of people are responding to the news. Why do some people celebrate his death? This was not a person who was declared as an enemy of the state. He was someone holding a public political debate. Can…

The people celebrating this sincerely believe that certain speech is equivalent to violence

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by nailer »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #964

This network of far-right influencers was begging for it, it fuels their narrative even more It’s interesting that these kinds of things happen in the US, the very country that keeps blaming and justifying interference & invasion in nations where similar events occur So, which country should now deploy its military to the US in an attempt to restore law and order?

There are no far right influencers being discussed.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by bigyabai »

johnisgood wrote: post #931
pxc wrote: post #902

There was a school shooting on the same day as Kirk's death: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-wounded-shooti... If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms", brushing it aside to be forgotten. He of course did so many times in life, notably in 2023 when he was quoted doing so in the me…

> If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms" He would have really advocated for violence, or school shootings? That seems odd. It is way different from "gun deaths are worth having the 2nd amendment".

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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by dutchCourage »

quitspamming wrote: post #203

I don't know how a country filled with guns can survive the normalization of calling people you disagree with Nazi, Fascist, etc. We've all been taught since grade school it was a good thing to kill Nazis, even in small percentages there are mentally unstable people who will hear you call someone a Fascist and take the logical step from "it's good to kill nazis" to "they're a nazi so I should kill them". I am both ve…

You could've stopped your sentence at "I don't know how a country filled with guns can survive."

The main downside of abusing the words nazi and fascist is that it gives an out to the actual fascists out there. When it comes to gun violence, there are a lot more (self proclaimed) neo-nazis killing innocent people than people killing them.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by Bost »

ChrisRR wrote: post #965
pxc wrote: post #902

There was a school shooting on the same day as Kirk's death: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-wounded-shooti... If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms", brushing it aside to be forgotten. He of course did so many times in life, notably in 2023 when he was quoted doing so in the me…

When is there not a school shooting?

Good point. What a great society it must be, where school shooting has become normality - a part of everyday experience.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by xtracto »

pxc wrote: post #902

There was a school shooting on the same day as Kirk's death: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-wounded-shooti... If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms", brushing it aside to be forgotten. He of course did so many times in life, notably in 2023 when he was quoted doing so in the me…

I'm very late to this thread, because I just didn't have anything I felt was valuable. But now i have.

At first I also had thr reaction of thinking "he asked for it" , and all that schadenfreude feeling.

However, now I think it was a great loss and hope the killer gets the whole extent of the law.

See, in a society that is tending more and more to the extremes, polarization and radicalism, we NEED people to TALK.

Being from outside of the US, I don't know the ideas this guy was spewing; However, from what I've read, what he did was basically talking and debate. We need that. We need to be open to talk ideas, even if we dont agree. Where are we when someone who speaks his mind gets killed for that?

I am socialist and anti-US-imperialism in general, but I tend to frequent r/conservative and r/ccw and even patriots.win subteddits. Because im interested in a different point of view.

I get sad that most posts in r/conservative block externals, as I would love to interact in some of the posts. But... after this guys assassination... I dont blame them. People should feel safe to talk and discuss their ideas.

I'm to stupid to be able to debate against this guy, or the other guy.that speaks too fast and always looks angry (anti abortion American dude). But ... why isn't someone smarter and with opposing views debating them?. We need it.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by suzzer99 »

suzzer99 wrote: post #734

Nick Fuentes built his entire empire on hating Charlie Kirk, and his fans (groypers) are insane. Laura Loomer just came out and attacked Kirk a couple days ago. It's entirely possible he was fragged from the right.

Well it's sure looking like he's a groyper.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by nativespecies »

amradio1989 wrote: post #455

In light of the top post by "dang", I'd like to apologize for my own comments. Forgive me brothers and sisters, I was obviously on edge. In particular I'd like to apologize to one individual whom I insinuated was posting rage-bait. To close, this is a tragic time in America. Each act of violence is one act too many.

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