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We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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I should be able to modify the software on all of those things, if I want to toast my CPU, my car, or my heart, that's entirely reasonable and there are tons of other ways to do them anyway

Your heart, sure. I don't care because it just affects you. Your car, no. An issue there could hurt other people.

> Your car, no. An issue there could hurt other people.

Which is already covered by existing laws. Same as other categories given by dangus.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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It likely won't be safe - they're probably going to enforce it through a Google Play Services update rather than an Android update, which means all previous Android OS versions after 5.0 (Lollipop, released in 2014) will be hit with the changes. In order to bypass that you'd need to install a Custom ROM or stop using and uninstall the Google Play Store entirely (since it's not possible to selectively disable just thi…

I seriously doubt they can restrict sideloading through Google play services. But if they do then it’s worse than what I thought.

Google Play Services effectively has superuser access to Android devices - it can uninstall or update Android apps, access app data, change system settings, etc. (The only way around this is to sandbox Google Play Services like GrapheneOS does, use an open source reimplementation like microG, or remove it entirely (but a lot of Android APIs, most of the ones that are Internet-based, are actually just Google Play Services APIs).

Originally this design was out of necessity (device manufacturers refusing to give devices OS updates to fix security issues), but it can also be used to do nefarious stuff like this. It’s also one of the main reasons Android is less secure than iOS (most Android vulnerabilities are in Google Play Services).

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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It being difficult is different from it being possible. If a company wants to raise $50m to read all the documentation and build an alternative OS to run on this crazy piece of hardware, as the consumer I still benefit. If you'd prefer, let's stick with repair? I also need all of that information to be able to repair my phone, but again, it wouldn't necessarily be ME who repairs my own phone: I take it to a third-par…

I feel like adding more laws for this kind of stuff won't really stick. Like a pie-in-the-sky sort of thing. We can hem and haw about what the government should do all we want but like... I mean, the Digital Markets Act certainly made a HUGE impact. And the GDPR is definitely a net positive for society. I think the thing you brought up at the beginning is the most practical path forward, someone with the technical kn…

The Epic suit certainly opens some interesting avenues as well.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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It's not theater, your IT department just isn't implementing it correctly. I recently switched jobs and gave up one macbook pro for another (work issued). Company A gave me sudo access and I could do anything I wanted. Company B locks down everything, no sudo, no brew, nothing. But I do get a big VM with root to do anything I want. There is an approved "appstore" of many different varieties of IDEs/tools. TLDR: Not h…

Interesting. If you don't mind, I have a few questions: 1. Is the "big VM with root" running macOS itself, or a different OS? 2. Do you do any work on the bare metal version of macOS, or do you just start the VM in the morning and do everything from there? 3. How do you experience the performance/UX of the VM? 4. Do you know why Company B IT has set up this VM solution, instead of a plain old MacBook locked down with…

There are multiple choices of OS but it's mostly Windows or Linux. Note, we don't do any mac/arm development.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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Let's hope people remember this and don't cheer the precedent when it's set against "undesirable" like it was with Alex Jones. It always starts like that.

Can you explain a bit more? As far as I was aware, Alex Jones was found guilty by a court of law. I didn't really follow his case or anything about him though. Did he get banned from Google/Apple for no reason?

He was a high profile case of social media coordinated banning. Not just one platform but many and it wasn't about court orders at the time but simply the vague "policy" which we know gets applied selectively.

The particularly interesting thing was that the sentiment of unpersoning someone online and "one service banning you" being a good reason for others to do so, was used by politicians later on to suggest more proactive unpersoning of different government critics which, they obviously called conspiracy theorists. Obviously different politicians call for the ban of people from opposing political parties, so it's not something about a specific party or political compass quadrant, as much as people want it to be.

This was sometime after Trump's election, when the "all out war" on the US political landscape was happening.

You could probably find numerous less extreme and easier to defend cases, where people get banned from one or many linked services, with no recourse but the Jones one was one of or maybe the first high profile one across several sites.

It's very easy to think that these powers will only be used at someone we dislike or find politically abhorrent but it will always point back to us, the moment we are the nuisance, no matter if it's because we are against the new freedom (TM) war or "save the children" civil encroachment.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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post #317

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Netflix is right in its prime right now, K-Pop Demon Hunters is a smash hit and probably the biggest cultural thing going on right now, it has like 4 songs from it in the top 10. Wednesday is coming back this weekfor the end of season 2. Stranger Things is wrapping up in November,

Any other examples? None of those scream prime to me - however I haven't heard of kpop demon hunters

NPR had 3 stories last week in their NPR News Now Podcast about K-Pop Demon Hunters. Like I said it has 4 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 all in the top 10. It's the best performing movie ever on Netflix with over 236 million streams. It was so successful they actually did a run of showings on over 1,700 screens topping the box office charts for that week and grossing over 18 million in a weekend.

I'm not sure what else it would need to do besides dominate the music, box office, and streaming charts to be considered a success. It was widely covered in the news media as well. I predict that Rumi is going to be maybe the most popular costume with kids this year. My daughter and all her friends all claim they're going to be Rumi for halloween.

Stranger Things was huge, and maybe it's trailed off over the years. It never was quite as big as say Game of Thrones, but it was probably at least same tier as a Ted Lasso.

Wednesday is big as well, but hasn't dominated the work conversations as much as other shows, but I've heard it routinely mentioned in media. Wednesday Addams is also predicted as a top costume this halloween. The Wednesday dance was definitely a huge cultural meme last season.

But I guess to your point, there isn't something as big as a Game of Thrones out there right now on Netflix. But they have hit a pretty hot streak recently.

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

#978

You can. You can jailbreak your iPhone. I assume you can do so with Android. Problem solved. Oh, you want to jailbreak it and use it as an authenticator? No. That doesn't seem like a reasonable requirement.

Jailbreaking iPhone doesn't let you install GNU/Linux on it.

Maybe not these days, but it used to be possible: https://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/

Re: We should have the ability to run any code we want on hardware we own

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> Any program I run is allowed to silently edit, delete or steal anything I own ... there's currently no desktop environment that provides that ability Putting aside the philosophical issues, that statement isn't true for a few years now. It's not well known, even in very technical circles like HN, but macOS actually sandboxes every app: • All apps from outside the app store are always sandboxed to a lesser degree, e…

> It's the only OS that has managed this transition to all-sandboxed-all-the-time. Depending on how broadly you define [desktop] OS. There are immutable Linux distributions like Fedora Silverblue or Kinoite where all user apps are run from Flatpak, and so have sandboxing. I'd say it's less mature than MacOS but it's catching up.

Good point, I'd forgotten about all-Flatpak distros.
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