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Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
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Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
#972Meaning to use your device you need to have a contractual relationship with a foreign (unless you are in the US) third party that decides what you can or cannot do with it. Plus using GrapheneOS is less of an option every day, since banks and other "regulated" sectors use Google Play Protect and similar DRMs to prevent you from connecting from whatever device you want. Client-side "trust" means the provider owning th…
> Android shouldn't be considered Open Source anymore That idea died for me long ago, I had used Android since 2009 till 2020. I gave up on the dream of a Linux phone. Ubuntu had a nice sleek Phone UI they were working on. The issue is if nobody builds the phones and no carrier cares, nobody will pick it up. You need to push yourself into the market. Microsoft could fill this weird gap if they wanted to the key thing…
Open source is a relative thing. Compared to iOS, Android is "incredibly open source!"
Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
#973Meaning to use your device you need to have a contractual relationship with a foreign (unless you are in the US) third party that decides what you can or cannot do with it. Plus using GrapheneOS is less of an option every day, since banks and other "regulated" sectors use Google Play Protect and similar DRMs to prevent you from connecting from whatever device you want. Client-side "trust" means the provider owning th…
> banks and other "regulated" sectors use Google Play Protect and similar DRMs to prevent you from connecting from whatever device you want. This totally sucks but is there anything preventing you from using your bank's website in-browser in your phone, other than the terrible UI, tiny text, and inability to select the correct checkbox?
Yes. The 2FA via either biometrics or some other means requires us to have the bank's own app - even in small local branches - where said app is only available through one of the app stores.
Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
#974I never really got into "phone" progrmaming, always waiting for the shenanigans to die down. But somehow the shanigans have gotten worse and for a significant chunk of the world population, the phone is the only computation device they have at all.
You now need to have an online account to setup and login on a Windows desktop. It's obvious what the trend is and it's not allowing consumers control over their stuff.
Not quite yet - install Windows 11 IoT LTSC with Rufus and you get a perfect version of Windows with no ads, account requirements, etc.
But I agree about the trend. Microsoft will probably block this workaround eventually.
Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
#975How does this impact security researchers? Or just student developers or tinkerers? This all seem like bad idea.
I would imagine security researcher could be registered developer but I could also see autobans if that is a thing to their accounts making life complicated.
Also some folks just being locked out of the due to government censorship etc..
Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
#976Meaning to use your device you need to have a contractual relationship with a foreign (unless you are in the US) third party that decides what you can or cannot do with it. Plus using GrapheneOS is less of an option every day, since banks and other "regulated" sectors use Google Play Protect and similar DRMs to prevent you from connecting from whatever device you want. Client-side "trust" means the provider owning th…
> Maybe it's time for a third large phone OS It's been that time for years . But it's easier said than done. The closest we've currently got are the various phone-targeted Linux distros out there. But they're not quite ready for serious usage for me; at least not on the Pinephone. Still, that's where to put your time & money if you're serious about wanting a change.
> The closest we've currently got are the various phone-targeted Linux distros out there. But they're not quite ready for serious usage for me; at least not on the Pinephone.
This isn't the closest, since we have Purism Librem 5 phone, which many people (including me) are using as a daily driver.
Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
#977So what are our options (eg for EU citizens) for lobbying in terms of legislation or directly to Google to show disagreement with this? It looks like many in this thread are against, but I don't see suggestions for action?
Personally, I fear addressing this issue to Google is wasted effort, since they "only" try to establish what Apple already has in place. Both mega-corps being in the U. S. (plus Trump threatening all countries that try to regulate U. S. technology yesterday) makes any appeal somewhat void.
That means, we have to do it ourselves. The first thing we can do is write to our MEPs. All of them. Thankfully, x775 has made a website in protest to the EU chat control law that makes find your MEPS E-mail addresses really easy, so maybe we can just take advantage of their work and use it to frame our own request. The relevant HN post is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44858504
Could this be a way forward???
Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
#978Meaning to use your device you need to have a contractual relationship with a foreign (unless you are in the US) third party that decides what you can or cannot do with it. Plus using GrapheneOS is less of an option every day, since banks and other "regulated" sectors use Google Play Protect and similar DRMs to prevent you from connecting from whatever device you want. Client-side "trust" means the provider owning th…
realistically, the end point for moderately tech savvy folks is going to a be two-device setup. one cheap phone for basic communication , all the corpo stuff like banking and shirt-and-tie social media + a wifi hotspot. then a second "practical use" device that uses the hotspot, that you fully control and do your tinkering with. edit: coming to think of it, teaching people to have a device for the "clean stuff" and s…
I am already taking 4 devices with embedded batteries with me and it's pain during airport scans. I am not looking for taking 5th. :/
Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
#979Everytime i read a news like this i loose more hope for our world to not end up a Cyberpunk Dystopia. Like what am i supposed to do. I am just one man. One vote, one guy who isnt even to good at coding.
Mastermage, cast Meteor Swarm!
Re: Google will allow only apps from verified developers to be installed on Android
#980I don't think EU will be OK with that. Not because they care so much about user privacy, because they don't, but because they won't let citizens get tied into US-controlled devices for most critical stuff, like banking, healthcare, eGovernment, etc.
And I do get that Apple does that already, but once Google goes same way, they EU will be forced to acknowledge the status quo.