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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by indymike »

deaddodo wrote: post #518
Philadelphia wrote: post #419

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Mac OS 8 was new in 1997 and was pretty innovative for user-facing features, if not the underlying operating system. It blew Windows 98 out of the water as far as that went.

If all you did was look at it, sure. OS 8 was a mess internally with an archaic and badly designed kernel. Windows 98 was much better at multitasking, system recovery, process isolation, etc. And that's saying a lot for the BSOD-ridden mess that that was. Then you had NT, which made both look like children's toys. And that's just in the Microsoft vs Apple camp. If you left that then Unix, BSD, BeOS, etc also blew it…

OS 8 was designed to run on 68020 without the mmu so you could run on the Mac II and LC. Likewise, MS was trying to keep backwards compatibility with windows 3.11 era software which led to 98 being a compromise, where NT was a much better os. Incidentally, you could pop in an MMU and install A/UX for a os 8 style ui running Unix underneath on those older Macs.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

leoc wrote: post #963
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I kind of agree, I was there when Apple was showing up at CERN IT trying to sell OS X a great UNIX workstation, and also though .NET was going to be fully open source, and to this day we have to thank the community efforts from Avalonia and Uno, for the actual GUI frameworks that support all major consumer OSes. Also Microsoft lost a big opportunity with Unity (not helping them updating .NET) and killing off XNA, two…

Just wait for the new, kinder, gentler Oracle, that one will be a hoot. Ellison will probably have to be carried out first, unfortunately.

Contrary to HN folks, I habe no issues with Oracle, it is my favourite database engine.

Also it was the only company that cared to buy Sun.

People love to hate it, everyone praises Sun, yet in the end no one felt it was worth rescuing, not even Google, that could have taken advantage to finally control Java.

I guess most would rather have seen Java die in version 6, and Maxime VM ideas never becoming mainstream, or the first UNIX with hardware memory tagging for taming C never coming out.

And since I am not a fan boy I am also quite aware that what doesn't produce profit, is immediately killed by Oracle, and they are quite found of enforcing their licenses, hence why people have to actually read those licenses.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by scrubs »

codingdave wrote: post #233

I've been in a three different scenarios where I worked for independent companies under the umbrella of a large parent organization. In all 3, the leadership left or was fired, and the remainder of the company was merged into a division of the parent company. The product quality went to shit in all 3 scenarios. There were different reasons and nuances to them all, but all 3 boiled down to one common factor. Instead o…

A software dev simply cannot afford to say "I just do technical" which I've heard numerous times. The sad reality is --- apart from small companies and ms/phd research which likely comes with more insulation --- organizational and political culture will weigh mightily on your tech work and freedom to do the right thing. So I definitely agree with parent.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by dev_hugepages »

gschoeni wrote: post #965
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How is forejo's git LFS support? I self host gitea (from before the split) but I am considering making the switch. LFS is a must for me though.

How big are your datasets? Working on an Open Source git-lfs replacement called "oxen" if you are interested. https://github.com/Oxen-AI/Oxen

How does it compare to huggingface's Xet?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by immibis »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #901
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Like it or not, mergers/acquisitions are matters of money, not whether you like the product or not. In fact, all corporations are beholden to make the most money, not the best products. Frequently the product that makes the most money is the one that constantly nags you to give it more money, which everyone hates. Today I watched the WHY2025 talk about what happened to XS4ALL (a Dutch hacker-ethic ISP). Here's the su…

At some point, doesn't humankind rise up and demand that our governments stop... you know... actually fucking us like this? After all the trust-busting at the turn of the century, we're right back in another golden age of robber barons, almost as if we learned nothing about this as a civilization. Being paid in company scrip that can only be used in the company's store with products from their global monolith doesn't…

The government forcing people to not do anything they like with their property is slavery apparently.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

lowsong wrote: post #902
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The Ask button in YouTube is a game changer for the use case of "what timestamp in this hour-long video talks about topic x?". What's the existing functional workflow for that? Downloading the captions and querying with a local LLM or a very fuzzy keyword search?

Perhaps this is a difference in terminology, but in no way do you need a LLM for fuzzy search. Semantic search, fuzzy keyword search, and text to speech have existed for years and predate the technology for an LLM. In your use-case, do you really need a chatbot to "ask the video" about this, wouldn't a "search in video" function that does the same thing be better?

Yeah, I was using the term "fuzzy" a bit loosely/incorrectly. I want to be able to say "where's the joke about British people?" even if the transcript only uses related but distinct terms like "Scotsman". I know you can get close to that with Transformers sans LLM, but LLMs are kinda like regex where they're often a non optimal but adequate way to solve a problem quickly.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by robertlagrant »

martin-t wrote: post #941
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> Then people realized you could get a bunch of these builders to work for you and take a cut from each of them - sometimes at least in exchange for providing marketing or "the means of production" but without providing any _real_ (positive-sum) work This is just a classic mistake: failing to account for risk as a significant input. Any business that needs money to start needs people to risk their reputation or their…

> Any business that needs money to start needs people to risk their reputation or their money to get it going Nobody is risking their reputation, that's just being over-dramatic. Money? Sure. There's two kinds of people here: a) Rich but not obscenely so - you can save up enough from normal work to get enough runway to start a small company which grows organically - you get a few really good people (who might even ac…

> Nobody is risking their reputation, that's just being over-dramatic.

Of course they are; if someone's going to get money from VCs they risk their reputation in asking for it.

> Money? Sure. There's two kinds of people here: (Rich/obscenely rich)

No - lots of VCs represent large pools of money including pension funds that service giant numbers of people. Your "rich" company example, Factio, is about the silliest example I can imagine of a capital-intensive business. Your "obscenely rich" example isn't really about money any more, but so few people are like this it doesn't really affect anything.

> It can get complex but let's not pretend it's worse than the current salary negotiations where one side is basically blind and pair per unit of work and the other has all the information and takes a cut from everyone's output.

It's impossible to tell if it's worse, as you haven't described it yet. It's likely to be worse though, as people don't do it.

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Post by leoc »

pjmlp wrote: post #972
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Just wait for the new, kinder, gentler Oracle, that one will be a hoot. Ellison will probably have to be carried out first, unfortunately.

Contrary to HN folks, I habe no issues with Oracle, it is my favourite database engine. Also it was the only company that cared to buy Sun. People love to hate it, everyone praises Sun, yet in the end no one felt it was worth rescuing, not even Google, that could have taken advantage to finally control Java. I guess most would rather have seen Java die in version 6, and Maxime VM ideas never becoming mainstream, or t…

IBM did bid, but Oracle jumped in with a higher offer. Supposedly (IIRC) the Sun leadership had wanted and expected IBM to buy Sun but didn't feel it could refuse the higher bid. Aside from Java Google would surely have been a very awkward fit with Sun, as Google was basically the poster child for never buying anything from Sun.

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Post by NekkoDroid »

tremon wrote: post #234
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https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/ - Freedesktop which is the org for many projects such as Wayland uses gitlab https://gitlab.gnome.org/ - GNOME uses Gitlab https://gitlab.com/kicad/ - KiCad uses Gitlab

and https://salsa.debian.org/public - Debian uses Gitlab.

Same for Arch - https://gitlab.archlinux.org/

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by nobleach »

jwrallie wrote: post #747
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If that's what you "mostly" remember, your memory is awfully selective. It's totally fine for you to have a bias, but you're overlooking decades of massively successful products and services. Having owned plenty of Thinkpads (Linux), Dells(Windows and Linux) and plenty of Macbook Pros, I can say, Apple's superiority of hardware is so far beyond the rest. Having an OS with a BSD-ish experience is really nice as well.…

I don’t get your comment, do you mean superiority in what? Are you comparing operating systems or hardware? The combined experience? If you asked me 2 years ago I would say something different about Linux than I would said today, because I’m running a different distribution with a different desktop environment and that changed my experience completely, even though I’m running on basically the same hardware. I run Lin…

I think we could compare hardware AND software.

Hardware: Apple announced an ARM based CPU and started shipping. It was _mostly_ a seemless experience thanks to Rosetta2. The performance on these well-built machines was outstanding. Even the Intel-based machines previously had really strong performance. The machines themselves (on average) were among some of the most well-built. Yes, there were outliers with the butterfly keyboards. Yes there were outliers with silly features like the touchbar. We're talking on average.

Software: Apple's OS is just a boring Unix that works. Yes I realize that Unix is in name only - but on top of that XNU microkernel really is a lot of BSD. Having the GNU tools available AND Sound/Fingerprint Reader/HiRes Display that actually scales... that is still not the reality in Linux. (I still love Linux btw - I keep multiple machines around the house running it) So not having to spend a great deal of time fiddling with config files when I plug in an external monitor actually is a big deal. Most folks don't want the hassles of messing with pavucontrol just because they switched to their external audio setup. Most folks will appreciate when they drag a window to that exterinal monitor that the HiDPI didn't cause text to go wonky.

So those are the areas where Apple is just massively superior. They nailed it in the "it just works" department. They've nailed it in the "quality hardware" department.

Windows also does fairly well in a lot of these areas.

As far as running Linux on Apple hardware? I had a buddy come into a meeting running Gnome+Ubuntu on his MacBook Pro back around 2017... as soon as he plugged into the projector, it was a mess. I'm sure it's gotten better since then.

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