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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by pksebben » Fri, Jul 25, 2025, 3:36 PM UTC

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Most American evangelicals support Israel. I'm not so sure if the rest of the remaining Americans also support Israel.

According to Gallup the majority of the US public supports Israel over Palestine, just as it has for decades. It's now "at it's lowest in 25 years" but it's still 46% vs 33% for Palestine, down from around 60% pro Israel in prior years. https://thecradle.co/articles/us-popular-support-for-israel-... About 10% of Americans identify as evangelical protestants https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/how-many-evangelicals-…

Friendly reminder that all polls are biased based on a willingness to engage in polls. Response rates are stunningly low (10% is normal [0]) so whatever your polls are saying, they're saying it specifically about a statistically insignificant portion of the population that is biased towards trusting institutions and polls.

0 - https://academic.oup.com/poq/article-abstract/83/S1/280/5520...

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by amendegree » Fri, Jul 25, 2025, 3:39 PM UTC

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Yes, lol a press release by the Biden DoD is propaganda not factual information. Obviously Russia is wrong on a moral level for invading its neighbor but legality doesn’t enter into the conversation.

Don't be disingenuous. Its far from "just a press release"; its the official position of the government of the United States. There are many other instances where different parts of the government call it illegal.

It is just a press release and regardless, what any country’s official position is, is irrelevant. Legality generally doesn’t apply to international relations as each state makes their own determination on what does and doesn’t apply to them.

For example the current US ambassador to Israel just announced that France will be partitioned into two states, one for France and one for Palestine, France isn’t bound by that.

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by aleckiefan » Fri, Jul 25, 2025, 6:16 PM UTC

ribosometronome wrote: post #529

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I mean this sincerely and with all due respect: can you please point me to sources where I can learn more about this?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas These are both rather prominent results when searching just for: netanyahu hamas

Belated thanks for your reply

Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by runarberg » Fri, Jul 25, 2025, 8:40 PM UTC

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Hamas shared the videos… not sure what else you’d call it when a violent mob made up of both young and old people jostles and jeers and attacks innocent civilians and then throws rocks and chases their car. This don’t happen just once, it was a crowd of 1000s every time. Here in America we call that a lynch mob. Maybe you should stop with the bigotry apologism.

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Post by f33d5173 » Fri, Jul 25, 2025, 8:42 PM UTC

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If a definition of genocide is sensitive to where we mark the start and end of the genocide, then it isn't a very good definition of genocide. We can do the same thing with area: suppose some ethnic group was being genocided in a particular region, but overall population growth of that group was positive. Does that make it no longer a genocide? Clearly not.

The term genocide was coined specifically to refer to what happened to the Jews during WWII. Your nonsense logic doesn’t apply.

The definition of the term genocide doesn't mention net population decrease - or in fact any population decrease at all. I think I've demonstrated why it can't possibly include such a requirement. The way I did so involves, exactly as you imply, assuming that the holocaust was a genocide. Then I show how such a requirement would contradict that assumption.

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Post by amendegree » Fri, Jul 25, 2025, 9:48 PM UTC

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Hamas shared the videos… not sure what else you’d call it when a violent mob made up of both young and old people jostles and jeers and attacks innocent civilians and then throws rocks and chases their car. This don’t happen just once, it was a crowd of 1000s every time. Here in America we call that a lynch mob. Maybe you should stop with the bigotry apologism.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 26, 2025, 12:05 AM UTC

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Re: The United States withdraws from UNESCO

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Post by pms » Sat, Jul 26, 2025, 1:42 PM UTC

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Not all the borders. Gaza has a border with Egypt (who also tightly control the border).

Egypt had only one elected head of state, who was anti-Israel, and he has since died in prison overthrown by an autocrat who sides with the US and Israel and does their bidding. Also, at this moment, Israel controls that border completely, and they have vetoed hostage deals that would require relinquishing that control. But you of course didn't answer anything else I said, despite being wrong about the one thing you…

> But you of course didn't answer anything else I said, despite being wrong about the one thing you picked out of my response

Exactly. This only exposes the lack of accountability and the harmful stereotypes that led Nazi Germany and now lead Israel to committing a genocide.

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Post by watwut » Sun, Jul 27, 2025, 7:05 AM UTC

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They were steelmanned for years and that is how theu got powerful. Maybe we should stop to do it and start to interpret their words accurately. Sometime, cruelty is the point and there is only delusion in trying to project "good reasons". It is loosing strategy.

To get Trump supporters to vote for you it's important to beat Trump at addressing their concerns. Even a small swing of 5-10% of them could win an election.

Addressing their concerns will do nothing, just as it did nothing in the past. They will hate you for addressing their concerns and blame you for things Trump caused. Each time they were given something, they just got more aggressive and harmful

Yes small swings could change election results, but none of them will come from Trump voters. This argument just serves to more politics further to the right.

Those people wanted harm, wanted to cause pain and addressing their concerns does not provide any of that.

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Post by watwut » Sun, Jul 27, 2025, 7:06 AM UTC

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #708

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Nothing is ever fault of conservatives and libertarians. No matter what, someone else has to be blamed.

Complaining about them isn’t going to win elections for the democrats.

Conservatives won the election by complaining about Democrats, often lying about them. By being as insulting and offensive as possible. Elections in republican land are not won by being constructive and letting republicans lie and insult. That is how they were lost.

There should be a lot more and a lot louder complaining about conservatives.