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Re: Claude 4

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I am incredibly eager to see what affordable coding agents can do for open source :) in fact, I should really be giving away CheepCode[0] credits to open source projects. Pending any sort of formal structure, if you see this comment and want free coding agent runs, email me and I’ll set you up! [0] My headless coding agents product, similar to “assign to copilot” but works from your task board (Linear, Jira, etc) on…

> I am incredibly eager to see what affordable coding agents can do for open source :) Oh, we know exactly what they will do: they will drive devs insane: https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1krttqo/my...

I dunno, looking through those issues I'd be more annoyed by all the randos grandstanding in my PRs.

Re: Claude 4

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“GitHub says Claude Sonnet 4 soars in agentic scenarios and will introduce it as the base model for the new coding agent in GitHub Copilot.” Maybe this model will push the “Assign to CoPilot” closer to the dream of having package upgrades and other mostly-mechanical stuff handled automatically. This tech could lead to a huge revival of older projects as the maintenance burden falls.

I don't see how a LLM could do better than a bot, eg renovate

Re: Claude 4

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Web search isn't desirable or even an option in a lot of use cases that involve GenAI. It seems people have turned GenAI into coding assistants only and forget that they can actually be used for other projects too.

That's because between the two approaches "explain me this thing" or "write code to demonstrate this thing" the LLMs are much more useful on the second path. I can ask it to calculate some third derivatives, or I can ask it to write Mathematica notebook to calculate the same derivatives, and the latter is generally correct and extremely useful as is - the former requires me to scrutinize each line of logic and calcul…

You have a narrow imagination. I'm talking about using GenAI for non-CS related applications, like it was advertised a year or so ago.

Re: Claude 4

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> I am incredibly eager to see what affordable coding agents can do for open source :) Oh, we know exactly what they will do: they will drive devs insane: https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1krttqo/my...

I dunno, looking through those issues I'd be more annoyed by all the randos grandstanding in my PRs.

And not all the "fix this - i fixed - no you didn't - here's the fix — there's no fix" back and forth with the AI?

There's very little grandstanding in the comments. They are all very tame, all things considered.

Re: Claude 4

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If you read any work from Ed Zitron [1], they likely cannot remain sustainable. With OpenAI failing to convert into a for-profit, Microsoft being more interested in being a multi-modal provider and competing openly with OpenAI (e.g., open-sourcing Copilot vs. Windsurf, GitHub Agent with Claude as the standard vs. Codex) and Google having their own SOTA models and not relying on their stake in Anthropic, tarrifs compl…

I see this sentiment everywhere on hacker news. I think it’s generally the result of consuming the laziest journalism out there. But I could be wrong! Are you interested in making a long bet banking your prediction? I’m interested in taking the positive side on this.

While some critical journalism may be simplistic, I would not qualify it as lazy. Much of it is deeply nuanced and detail-oriented. To me, lazy would be publications regurgitating the statements of CEOs and company PR people who have a vested interest in making their product seem appealing. Since most of the hype is based on perceived futures, benchmarks, or the automation of the easier half of code development, I consider the simplistic voices asking "Where is the money?" to be important because most people seem to neglect the fundamental business aspects of this sector.

I am someone who works professionally in ML (though not LLM development itself) and deploys multiple RAG- and MCP-powered LLM apps in side businesses. I code with Copilot, Gemini, and Claude and read and listen to most AI-industry outputs, be they company events, papers, articles, MSM reports, the Dwarkesh podcast, MLST, etc. While I acknowledge some value, having closely followed the field and extensively used LLMs, I find the company's projections and visions deeply unconvincing and cannot identify the trillion-dollar value.

While I never bet for money and don't think everything has to be transactional or competitive, I would bet on defining terms and recognizing if I'm wrong. What do you mean by taking the positive side? Do you think OpenAI's revenue projections are realistic and will be achieved or surpassed by competing in the open market (i.e., excluding purely political capture)?

Betting on the survival of the legal entity would likely not be the right endpoint because OpenAI could likely be profitable with a small team if it restricted itself to serving only GPT 4.1 mini and did not develop anything new. They could also be acquired by companies with deeper pockets that have alternative revenue streams.

But I am highly convinced that OpenAI will not have a revenue of > 100 billion by 2029 while being profitable [1] and willing to take my chances.

1: https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/o...

Re: Claude 4

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One thing I'm 100% is that a cut off date doesn't exist for any large model, or rather there is no single date since it's practically almost impossible to achieve that.

But I think the general meaning of a cutoff date, D, is: The model includes nothing AFTER date D and not The model includes everything ON OR BEFORE date D Right? Definitionally, the model can't include anything that happened after training stopped.

That's correct. However, it is almost meaningless in practice as it might as well mean that, say, 99,99% of the content is 2 years old and older, and only 0,01 was trained just before that date. So if you need functionality that's dependent on new information, you have to test it for each particular component you need.

Unfortunately I work with new APIs all the time and the cutoff date is of no much use.

Re: Claude 4

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Claude Code in Jetbrains seems to also know the active file, so typing in the Claude window has a bit more context when you ask to do something. I'm curious to the other improvements available, instead of using it as a standalone CLI tool.

Ahh, I wasn't sure if it did or not, I told the model the file directly in my example "Edit file ABC.php to do..." so I wasn't sure if had that context or just found the file (I also had that file open). I really do hope they improve this further. Junie (Jetbrains Agent) has much nicer UI. I'd love Claude code with more native UI.

in addition to the diff viewing, the plugin also allows claude code to pick up more context from the IDE!

it should automatically pick up your current selection, as well as any highlight/diagnostic errors (squiggly errors and warnings) that the IDE finds. there's also a shortcut key (Cmd+Option+K) to send your current selection as a @File reference to the prompt.

Re: Claude 4

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If you are looking for the IntelliJ Jetbrain plugin it's here: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/27310-claude-code-beta- I couldn't find it linked from Claude Code's page or this announcement

I can't edit either comment or reply to the other one b/c it was flagged? Some downsides to the JetBrains plugin I've found after playing with it some more: - No alert/notification when it's waiting for the user. The console rings a bell but there is no indication it's waiting for you to approve a tool/edit - Diff popup for every file edited. This means you have to babysit it even closer. 1 diff at a time might sound…

i'm one of the devs working on this. great feedback here! this is our initial release, but we're looking to iterate and improve on the diff'ing experience in the coming updates!

stay tuned for updates, and any further feedback is appreciated.

Re: Claude 4

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If you are looking for the IntelliJ Jetbrain plugin it's here: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/27310-claude-code-beta- I couldn't find it linked from Claude Code's page or this announcement

I'm getting "claude code not found" even though I have Claude Code installed. Is there some trick to getting it to see my install? I installed claude code the normal way.

it might not find the command depending on how it's set up. we're be reworking this logic in the next release so it does a better job detecting the command!

it should work if you run `claude` from within the IDE's built-in terminal

Re: Claude 4

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Under what metrics are you judging these improvements? If you're talking about improving benchmark scores, as others have pointed out, those are increasing at a regular rate (putting aside the occasional questionable training practices where the benchmark is in the training set). But most individuals seem to be judging "order of magnitude jumps" in terms of whether the model can solve a very specific set of their use…

I think it actually makes sense to trust your vibes more than benchmarks. The act of creating a benchmark is the hard part. If we had a perfect benchmark AI problems would be trivially solvable. Benchmarks are meaningless on their own, they are supposed to be a proxy for actual usefulness. I'm not sure what is better than, can it do what I want? And for me the ratio of yes to no on that hasn't changed too much.

I agree that this is a sensible judgement for practical use, but my point is that the vibes likely will change, it's just a matter of when. You can't draw a trendline on a nonlinear metric especially when you have no knowledge of the inflection point. Individual benchmarks are certainly fallible, and we always need better ones, but the aggregate of all of the benchmarks together (and other theoretical metrics not based on test data) is correlating reasonably well with opinion polling and these are all improving at a consistent rate. It's just that it's unclear when these model improvements will lead to the outcomes that you're looking for. When it happens, it will appear like a massive leap in performance, but really it's just a threshold being hit.
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