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America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Post by scheeseman486 »

9rx wrote: post #638
myrmidon wrote: post #633

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> When Trump said that new manufacturing facilities would be fast-tracked to being able to build their own on-site power plants because the grid is "at risk of bombing", I've come to think that the whole political debate is really about: What the hell are we going to do if WWIII happens? I'm not buying that whole argument. At all. Because this looks too much like a "lets find favorable talking points for the middling…

> Can you honestly argue that current economic policy and decisionmaking was mainly driven by strategic military interests and planning, as opposed to Trump being a big fan of tariffs as a concept? Well, like we established in a discussion here yesterday, argument only takes place if you don't know. It is the mind's way to explore and learn. So, yes, obviously I could as I don't have enough information to know for su…

They gave you plenty of things to rebut or discuss, but instead of doing any of that you got hung up on a rhetorical device that is used to imply poor or empty argumentation which, frankly, seems to be on point.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Post by smegger001 »

rlpb wrote: post #913
UltraSane wrote: post #850

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In networking the situation is just ridiculous. Companies just expect people to know Cisco Nexus, ASA, XE, Palo Alto, Linux, AWS VPC, and do a bit of database and backup admin all for less than $100,000 a year.

That’s sounds like a functioning free market. Either they find the quality of labor they require at that rate, or they don’t. Either you take such a job at that rate because you have the required skills and knowledge and that’s your best offer, or you don’t.

Exsept usually adding extraneous requirements and low pay offer is cover for wanting h1b1 wage slaves that have a visa bound to the employer so they can't demand market rate or risk being sent home so a new artificially low market rate is created. So much for it being a free market.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Post by ViktorRay »

Herring wrote: post #173
wormlord wrote: post #150

I think the collapse of the American Empire is no more preventible than the collapse of the British, Spanish, or Roman empires. The issues with the US being the reserve currency has been known for a while now (and was even predicted by Keynes before the Bretton-Woods summit): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma Any discussion of "bringing back manufacturing" that doesn't mention government spending or socia…

Empires come and go, that's just a fact of life. The question was whether they'd fall back relatively gracefully like (Western) Europe, now with multiple countries ranking at the top of "World's Happiest Countries", or whether they'll become Russia 2.0 with the biggest guns, richest oligarchs, and the worst quality of life. It's still far from played out, but right now they're solidly on the road to Russia 2.0, with…

The end of the empires of Western Europe was not graceful. Not even close.

It may seem that way because the countries within Western Europe that had done the empires are now stable and prosperous but what about the countries of Africa and Asia? The ones who had been part of those same empires of Western Europe?

If you talk to people in these countries of Africa and Asia I think you would find that people there would strongly dispute the idea that the empires of Western Europe ended in any way that could be called "graceful"

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Post by ViktorRay »

s_dev wrote: post #612
potato3732842 wrote: post #456

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The fall of the Soviet Union was arguably more graceful than the two world wars and myriad of colonial worlds it took Europe butt out. Even if you exclude the world wars it probably holds.

The fall of the Soviet Union was anything but graceful. Within months of the dissolution of the USSR Russia had children becoming prostitutes in order to get money for food.

The Fall of the Soviet Union may not have been graceful to the Russians but it was certainly graceful to the people the Soviet Empire was exploiting in Eastern Europe.

People in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, and so on probably would use the word graceful to describe the USSR's end.

(And yes I know Poland wasn't part of the USSR but it was a satelite state).

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Post by SlightlyLeftPad »

Clubber wrote: post #655
SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #637

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Source?

Simple google search, first result: https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/country-studie...

This doesn’t entirely prove that China is much worse off than the US here, since we appear to be comparing. It’s pretty clear that US has a lot of room for improvement at 3.3/thousand people compared to China’s 4.

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Post by ks2048 »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #967
greenie_beans wrote: post #880

> Chinese workers work longer hours more happily and they’re physically faster with their hands; they can do things that American labor can’t. It’s years of accumulated skill, but it’s also a culture that is oriented around hard work and education that the United States no longer has. In China, there are no people who are too fat to work. The workers don’t storm off midshift, never to return to their job. You don’t h…

Ignoring this is like ignoring the prophecitc Vivek tweet that triggered conservatives for him pointing out DEI for white people. This post is basically correct. The Chinese will accept being exploited way harder than we will! Good going communism! This shit is why I will resist Marxist bullshit with all of my fiber forever. Fucking barracks communist no matter how hard they try to claim “nah we don’t support that”.

> The Chinese will accept being exploited way harder than we will!

If only there was some framework to organize workers against exploitation... maybe even the workers of the world could unite?

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Post by Herring »

ViktorRay wrote: post #974
Herring wrote: post #173

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Empires come and go, that's just a fact of life. The question was whether they'd fall back relatively gracefully like (Western) Europe, now with multiple countries ranking at the top of "World's Happiest Countries", or whether they'll become Russia 2.0 with the biggest guns, richest oligarchs, and the worst quality of life. It's still far from played out, but right now they're solidly on the road to Russia 2.0, with…

The end of the empires of Western Europe was not graceful. Not even close. It may seem that way because the countries within Western Europe that had done the empires are now stable and prosperous but what about the countries of Africa and Asia? The ones who had been part of those same empires of Western Europe? If you talk to people in these countries of Africa and Asia I think you would find that people there would…

Yes I meant now they have reasonably stable anti-fascist institutions, unlike Russia.

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Post by throw3726382 »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #559
andsoitis wrote: post #538

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1) Historical claims - the CCP views Taiwan as a breakaway province and considers unification important. After the Chinese Civil War ended in 1948, the defeated Republic of China (ROC) government fled to Taiwan while the CCP took control of China. 2) Political legitimacy - successful unification would be a nationalist victory for the CCP 3) Strategic importance - key geographic asset. It lies in the first island chai…

1-2 really just do not matter; I can't imagine anyone in the CCP views that as more important than their own internal matters. 3 as I said, they can just negotiate and throw money at the problem; it's cheaper than fighting a war. 4 they can already buy hardware from them and was doing so just fine before US stepped in. DeepSeek seemed to do fine and China may likely surpass Western AI development in the near future 5…

Throughout Chinese history, all invasions of China from the sea had a staging area in Taiwan.

This is the main reason.

Re: America underestimates the difficulty of bringing manufacturing back

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Post by pdfseek »

Made in China is the result of meticulous division of labor across various industries in Chinese society, gradually built up over 30-40 years. If Americans decided to abandon their current lifestyle and start building from scratch, perhaps they could. But who would give it up?
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