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Post by skyyler »

breppp wrote: post #279
jmathai wrote: post #236

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Where did you read they are funded by Qatar? Some quick searching indicates that's false. [1] https://www.hrw.org/financials [2] https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/human-rights-watch...

HRW was caught in the past soliciting donations from Saudis in return for restricting their Middle East reporting [1] Project Raven, a UAE offensive cyber operation has leaked a document by the Qatar government concerning financing of HRW [2][3] [1] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/human-rights-watch-took-... [2] https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/1700763578-human-... [3] https://www.memri.org/reports/rave…

For anyone viewing this thread now, take into consideration what wikipedia says about MEMRI:

"Critics describe MEMRI as a strongly pro-Israel advocacy group that, in spite of describing itself as being "independent" and "non-partisan" in nature,[5][6][7] aims to portray the Arab world and the Muslim world in a negative light by producing and disseminating incomplete or inaccurate translations of the original versions of the media reports that it re-publishes."

"co-founded by Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser in 1997"

I think there is a deep irony in using MEMRI publications as evidence that a human rights watch org has ideological bias.

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Post by zimpenfish »

marcosdumay wrote: post #850
Braxton1980 wrote: post #845

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How so? The plane didn't turn around, Trump still has numerous supporters so the public doesn't care, and none of his admin has been punished.

Last time I saw, the entire Supreme Court was requesting that the Executive return people, what means punishment may be a couple of weeks away. It may not happen, but it's not a given right now.

> Last time I saw, the entire Supreme Court was requesting that the Executive return people

As I understand it, they requested that USGOV "facilitate" the return which is much weaker than the "effectuate" in the original court order; ie giving USGOV wiggle room rather than compelling them to undo the harm.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by NoTeslaThrow »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #856
NoTeslaThrow wrote: post #848

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Republican voters can see many if not all of the same economic ills in society that Democrat voters do. In some cases they can even agree on the cause. I'm not going to stand next to how right-wing media (and its eager audience) may characterize "main stream media". But I do think the window of representation across how americans see and characterize ourselves through newsrooms in general has narrowed too far (in its…

The Democrats have almost no control in congress. In the senate they can block bills. Is this AI?

Dis you miss the concluding phrase of the comment?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by motoxpro »

marcosdumay wrote: post #850
Braxton1980 wrote: post #845

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How so? The plane didn't turn around, Trump still has numerous supporters so the public doesn't care, and none of his admin has been punished.

Last time I saw, the entire Supreme Court was requesting that the Executive return people, what means punishment may be a couple of weeks away. It may not happen, but it's not a given right now.

Looks like it is a "No" from them and a "All good" from us. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-meet-with-el-salvador...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by wqaatwt »

tehjoker wrote: post #919
wqaatwt wrote: post #883

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That’s not sustainable. Best outcome would be ending up like Lebanon. Besides Belgium (and that’s nowhere close) there are hardly any successful democracies that were evenly split primarily on ethno-religious grounds and didn’t entirely collapse on the first opportunity.

Lebanon is the way it is because the United States and Israel continuously sabotage its government to align with their interests.

You are denying the agency of the people living there and/or are clueless about the country..

US and Israel started the Lebanese civil war and the enmity between the Christian and Muslim populations?

Well in a way.. at least the Palestinian refugees were a huge shock that shifted the scales. But the balance was very tight and the country would have blown up eventually anyway.

You can’t build a democracy when each half of the population hates the other half and considers that their ideological views and their ways of life are incompatible. Even US is learning that the hard way (again..)..

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by breppp »

skyyler wrote: post #971
breppp wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HRW was caught in the past soliciting donations from Saudis in return for restricting their Middle East reporting [1] Project Raven, a UAE offensive cyber operation has leaked a document by the Qatar government concerning financing of HRW [2][3] [1] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/human-rights-watch-took-... [2] https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/1700763578-human-... [3] https://www.memri.org/reports/rave…

For anyone viewing this thread now, take into consideration what wikipedia says about MEMRI: "Critics describe MEMRI as a strongly pro-Israel advocacy group that, in spite of describing itself as being "independent" and "non-partisan" in nature,[5][6][7] aims to portray the Arab world and the Muslim world in a negative light by producing and disseminating incomplete or inaccurate translations of the original versions…

What does wikipedia say about the intercept? Is it also a pro-israeli advocacy group?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by skyyler »

breppp wrote: post #977
skyyler wrote: post #971

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For anyone viewing this thread now, take into consideration what wikipedia says about MEMRI: "Critics describe MEMRI as a strongly pro-Israel advocacy group that, in spite of describing itself as being "independent" and "non-partisan" in nature,[5][6][7] aims to portray the Arab world and the Muslim world in a negative light by producing and disseminating incomplete or inaccurate translations of the original versions…

What does wikipedia say about the intercept? Is it also a pro-israeli advocacy group?

The intercept article you linked says HRW gave the money back, so that's kind of a nothingburger, isn't it?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by breppp »

skyyler wrote: post #978
breppp wrote: post #977

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What does wikipedia say about the intercept? Is it also a pro-israeli advocacy group?

The intercept article you linked says HRW gave the money back, so that's kind of a nothingburger, isn't it?

it said that organization reported a company for engaging in slave labor, it then took donations from that company while agreeing not to cover LGBT rights in the middle east in return, but when it was caught it agreed to give the donation back

I would hardly describe it as a nothingburger for human rights organization ethics, but that's only me

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by reissbaker »

nashashmi wrote: post #966
reissbaker wrote: post #862

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People fleeing a conflict isn't genocide. And no, the population did not decrease! You can literally look this up. "Moving 5 miles away" is not an overall group population decrease; here is a graph of the population of Israelis and Palestinians respectively: https://www.statista.com/chart/20645/palestine-and-israel-po... As you can see, it's been up and to the right this whole time, for both groups. Unless you think…

You have to look at the population of Palestinians in the 1948 region before and after. Towns are empty from the nakba. People fleeing a genocide and being refused return is genocide. Don’t try to rephrase this is as “conflict”. Nor equate the history of other regions as equivalent to this one.

They were obviously not fleeing a genocide, since no genocide happened in 1948. The population graphs of Palestine make that extremely clear. In fact, many did not flee and are citizens of Israel today and even serve in the Knesset, and are referred to as "Israeli Arabs." Of the five acts defined as genocide, moving five miles away is not one of them.

And of course you can compare conflicts in history to each other. Why wouldn't you be able to? Literally the same thing happened with India and Pakistan, at almost exactly the same time, except that Pakistan agreed to the partition and didn't try to invade India. Many people were displaced, or fled, and there were even some border conflicts. But Pakistan and India both accepted partition in general in 1947, unlike the Palestinians who invaded Israel instead in 1948. In fact many more people were displaced or forced to move during the partition of British India into India and Pakistan: 15MM people, vs 900k during the 1948 war.

If you didn't consider that genocide, neither is the latter.

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