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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by tim333 »

dwoldrich wrote: post #688

Does _anyone_ in these comments wonder what happened before JD goes off on Zelenskyy? What could have elicited such a scorched earth response from the VP while the administration is still negotiating? That explosive clip, which I'm sure is all 99% of people have watched, happens like 40 minutes into an otherwise really quite friendly presser. https://www.c-span.org/program/white-house-event/president-t... Very disapp…

Zelenskyy mentioned the 2019 deal that didn't work out, signed under the last Trump administration.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by sesm »

seydor wrote: post #82

It looks like the US wants a regime change in Ukraine, it's possible that this became a pre condition from russia for talks to go forward. OTOH, a minerals deal with the US ensures that the US will have a stake in defending the postwar ukraine. Lots of drama and optics involved for sure, but it seems the outcome or the talks was predetermined JdVance will not last for long - is there procedure to replace him?

> It looks like the US wants a regime change in Ukraine, it's possible that this became a pre condition from russia for talks to go forward.

It's not just possible, it was stated openly multiple times by Russian diplomats. The official position is: anything signed by Zelensky has potential to be invalidated later, because according to constitution of Ukraine he is not a legitimate president anymore. So this legal loophole should be removed before signing any agreements.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by baxuz »

The most important defense that the EU can make at this moment is to block off Russian access to European Internet and regulate all social media to stop Russian propaganda

This is the culmination of 10 years of hybrid warfare via disinformation and propaganda.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by bjoli »

Nition wrote: post #261

I normally avoid commenting on politics entirely but I feel compelled to comment here. I'm sure anyone who's ever been bullied in their life will feel exactly what's happening in that video clip. Two big kids, confident in their position and backing each other up, gang up on the outsider. Did they ever really want to make a deal at all? Absolutely infuriating and saddening to watch.

They never wanted a deal. If they wanted one it would have been negotiated and done before Zelensky stepped on American soil.

I don't want to fall into the conspiracy trap, but I can't help thinking this was planned on advance. Especially considering how couch man acted. Trump was wandering around aimlessly until Vance took command.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by chewz »

basisword wrote: post #389

If European leaders don't watch this and realise they need to take control of their own destiny they're idiots. Several European leaders visited this week bending the knee to try and stave off tariffs. Time to stand up, realise the US is no longer a reliable ally, and start building (on all fronts - military, manufacturing, tech, etc). Given the American people voted for this guy twice - the second time in spite of J…

> If European leaders don't watch this and realise they need to take control of their own destiny they're idiots. Several European leaders visited this week bending the knee to try and stave off tariffs.

European leader are desperate because they realize obvious truth - US will soon implement regime changes all across Europe... European elites are simply not up to task of dealing with this new revolutionary era.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by midoreigh »

"Somewhere Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems but the world’s problems are not Europe’s problems." European elites and American military industrial complex inching towards Russia using NATO is the problem. World won't go to war over this because unlike World War I and II, rest of the world are not Europe's colony. American people elected Trump to say the same. They too are unwilling to fight for the European elites. This is not world's problem. Only EU have to handle it.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

Really amazing how much of current reality consists of direct 1-1 plot points in Babylon 5. Not like some Simpsons reference, but entire season story arcs.

I think we are up to Season 3, Ep 9.

The president will declare martial law, and will issue executive order to dissolve the senate.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by grg0 »

angrytechie wrote: post #185

What's really infuriating to me is the way in which members of the startup world -- people who claim to wear the mantle of creators and builders -- have actively supported this nonsense. A16Z, Founders Fund, Sequoia all talk a big game about America being the greatest nation on the planet, and then turn around and back this regime in a naked grab for power and money. The hypocrisy is astounding.

I think your misunderstanding is in the "turning around" part. If you read any of the unhinged manifestos A16Z et al have written, you'll understand it's all very consistent with what you are witnessing now. Some people have been calling on this for at least a decade, but they are largely ignored.
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