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Re: GPT-4.5

#971

I'm one week in on heavy grok usage. I didn't think I'd say this, but for personal use, I'm considering cancelling my OpenAI plan. The one thing I wish grok had was more separation of the UI from X itself. The interface being so coupled to X puts me off and makes it feel like a second-hand citizen. I like ChatGPTs minimalist UI.

Agree. Grok at the moment is king.

I just wish they had folders (or projects) like OpenAi has...

Re: GPT-4.5

#973
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> What's the difference between your "agentic AIs" and, say, "script kiddies" or "expert anarchist/black-hat hackers"? Intelligence. I'm talking about super-intelligence. If you want to know what it feels like to be intellectually outclassed by a machine, download the latest Go engine and have fun losing again and again while not understanding why. Now imagine an ASI that isn't confined to the Go board, but operating…

> Now imagine an ASI that isn't confined to the Go board, but operating out in the world. I don't think it's reasonable at all to look at a system's capability in games with perfect and easily-ingested information and extrapolate about its future capabilities interacting with the real world. What makes you confident that these problem domains are compatible?

That’s not what I was saying at all. I was using Go as an example of what the experience of being helplessly outclassed by a superior intelligence is like: you are losing and you don’t know why and there’s nothing you can do.

Re: GPT-4.5

#974

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Or, the model is nowhere as expensive as in the api pricing and they want to pump the user value of their pro subscription artificially?

Considering that’s the exact opposite of their strategy to date, and they haven’t done anything to indicate that was the case, and they talked about how huge and expensive the model was to run, that is the less reasonable assumption by a mile.

It is true that this does not seem to be their strategy, but the previous strategy to date was actually showing measurable improvements and specific applications, not "vibes". What I said is far-fetched, but still I fail to understand the whole point here, because they do not really explain it.

But maybe we just hit the point that the improvement of performance hit the slowing down part of a logistic curve, while the cost keeps increasing exponentially.

Re: GPT-4.5

#975

Is it official then? Most of us have been waiting for this moment for a while. The transformer architecture as it is currently understood can't be milked any further. Many of us knew this since last year. GPT-5 delays eventually led to non-tech voices to suggest likewise. But we all held our final decision until the next big release from OpenAI as Sam Altman has been making claims about AGI entering the workforce thi…

This seems very dramatic given OpenAI still has the best model in the world `o3`.

The best model in the world is still basically a very stubborn, yet mediocre 16 year old with a memory the size of the internet.

Re: GPT-4.5

#976

It is interesting that they are focusing a large part of this release on the model having a higher "EQ" (Emotional Quotient). We're far from the days of "this is not a person, we do not want to make it addictive" and getting a firm foot on the territory of "here's your new AI friend". This is very visible in the example comparing 4o with 4.5 when the user is complaining about failing a test, where 4o's response is wh…

> We're far from the days of "this is not a person, we do not want to make it addictive" and getting a firm foot on the territory of "here's your new AI friend".

And soon we'll have the new AI friend recommending Bud Lite™ and turning the beer can with the logo towards you.

Re: GPT-4.5

#978

What I find hilarious is that a 20-50% hallucination rate suggests this is still a program that tells lies and potentially causes people to die.

> program that tells lies and potentially causes people to die.

Sounds like a valid legal defense for crummy companies.

Re: GPT-4.5

#979

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They tried a while ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40373284 Sadly little people noticed...

Sadly few people noticed. I don’t normally cosplay as a grammar Nazi but in this case I feel like someone should stand up for the little people :)

Thanks for the corrections, that’s what I wanted to say!

Re: GPT-4.5

#980

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Maybe, but I'm not sure how much the style is deliberate vs. a consequence of the post-training tasks like summarization and problem solving. Without seeing the post-training tasks and rating systems it's hard to judge if it's a deliberate style or an emergent consequence of other things. But it's definitely the case that base models sound more human than instruction-tuned variants. And the shift isn't just vocabular…

How is "development" an adverb or adjective turned into a noun?? It comes from a French word (développement) and that in turns was just a natural derivation of the verb "développer"... no adverbs or adjectives (English or otherwise) seem to come into play here

Sorry, I should have said adjectives or verbs, as it's "develop" turned into a noun. Just like "discernment" or "punishment". The etymology isn't relevant for classifying it as a nominalization, only the grammatical function.
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