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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by derkades »

cg5280 wrote: post #916
JohnFen wrote: post #320

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Handling the encryption yourself is the way to go, but for maximum security, don't send that encrypted data to the cloud. Keep it all on your own server(s). That doesn't help people who aren't technically capable, of course. But at least those who are can protect themselves.

Why couldn't the government just get a warrant and take your local servers? At that point there doesn't seem to be much of a difference with respect to this threat model, at least cloud is convenient.

It is much more effort than sending a data request to a cloud provider, and it can't be done without you knowing.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by troupo »

exodust wrote: post #966
troupo wrote: post #950

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> By loudly disabling ADP and saying this feature is illegal in the UK They didn't say anything loudly, or said it was illegal in the UK. All they had was a single comment to a single (or perhaps a handful at most) comment to a media outlet that they disabled it. They didn't even bother with a press release, or notify their users. It's not even half a stand. It's a rollover

Is the UK law broadly against encrypted files? For example if I encrypt a file locally, a zip file containing images, am I not permitted to upload that zip file to a cloud service in the UK? Even if the UK's demands were "access to encrypted cloud services", does that also mean encrypted files within encrypted storage? It all seems so messy. Anyone who really wants to hide their files, can do so regardless of demands…

> Anyone who really wants to hide their files, can do so regardless of demands for backdoors.

The question isn't about "anyone who wants". It's about "anyone, regardless of their technical skill"

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by pinoy420 »

fdb345 wrote: post #256
miroljub wrote: post #140

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How? In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government.

I just dont interact with the government or British society at all. I have turned my back on it. If they ever come to my door I'll either go postal or leave the country. Its so bad here now.

Cool LARP bro

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by aswegs8 »

mianos wrote: post #938
sneak wrote: post #697

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Almost all iPhones are made in China. They cannot pull out without shutting down. They make on average 60,000 ios devices there every hour, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

Google pulled out but their phones are made in China. When push comes to shove money always wins still in China.

Classic communism am I right?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by lucasRW »

mr_toad wrote: post #610
lucasRW wrote: post #411

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They've been sending people to prison for posting memes....

Memes with illegal content. It’s not hard to imagine creating a meme that would have the FBI knocking on your door.

Examples ?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #593
tholdem wrote: post #453

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> What concerns me more is that Apple is the only company audibly making a stand. But still Apple operates in China and Google does not. This is weird to me. Google left China when the government wanted all keys to the citizens data. Apple is making a stand when it's visible and does not threaten their business too much. Apple is not really in the business of protecting your data, they are just good at marketing and…

iCloud in China is operated by a local subsidiary. There is a dedicated screen explaining this when you set up an iCloud account in this region. They adapt to the local rules of each region, much like they’re doing here in the UK.

>iCloud in China is operated by a local subsidiary

It's not operated by an Apple subsidiary. It's operated by a government owned company. I'm not aware of any local laws that require this particular arrangement.

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Post by jsjohnst »

catlifeonmars wrote: post #793
autoexec wrote: post #746

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> Wouldn't there have been be some evidence of that in the past 7 years, either through security research, or through convictions that hinged on information that was gotten from a supposedly E2E-protected backup? I wouldn't count on it. The main way we'd know about it would be a whistleblower at Google, and whistleblowers are extremely rare. Evidence and court records that might expose a secret backdoor or that the g…

People are incredibly bad at keeping secrets. And there are a LOT of people at Google. I don’t buy it.

Until Yahoo! broke the news, did you know anything about Google’s involvement with PRISM?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by switch007 »

gerdesj wrote: post #680
ljm wrote: post #358

Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

"Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties." What is a "paternalistic state". I studied Latin so obviously I understand pater == father but what is a father-like state? What on earth is: "authoritarian support across all parties". The UK has one Parliament, four Executives (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales) and a Monarch (he's actually q…

Are you trying to disagree with them by pretending that they're speaking rubbish? As a Brit, their comment made complete sense to me.

By the way, there is no 'England' executive; it's the government of the United Kingdom, which handles all matters not devolved, in England and the rest of the UK.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by zarathustreal »

smsm42 wrote: post #757
cryptonector wrote: post #598

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They don't even need control. They want control. Why? Either they're idiots who think they need control or they are tyrants who know they'll need control later on when they start doing seriously tyrannical things.

It's natural for the government to want control. It's literally what it is optimized for - control. More control is always better than less control. More data about subjects always better than less data. What if they do something that we don't want them doing and we don't know? It's scary. We need more control. > they'll need control later on when they start doing seriously tyrannical things. You mean like when they…

I’d upvote this a thousand times if I could, so many people holding opinions on purely selfish grounds
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