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"Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by calibas »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #300
calibas wrote: post #217

If you're wondering why the President can essentially write his own laws when that's not how our system is supposed to work, it's because the President gets extra powers whenever we're in a state of national emergency. We've been in a state of national emergency since 1979.

Yeah. Dude. I don’t like the outcome, but he has “extra” powers because Republicans won a lot of elections and are a majority in all three branches of government and in many statehouses.

It's mostly the Republicans fault, but it didn't help that Biden supported it too, in spite of how other top Democrats felt:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/27/democrats-biden-som...

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by blased »

userbinator wrote: post #855
blased wrote: post #135

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So when 4 years pass and we’re still voting, are you going to admit you are hyperbolic and divorced from reality?

I'm saving a link to your comment along with a reminder to check back in 2028.

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by unclebucknasty »

lmm wrote: post #747
braiamp wrote: post #745

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Those agencies were created by law and given a command by law to fulfill a role in the executive branch. The executive branch doesn't get to decide how to organize itself since that would make a mess when the next guy comes up, so laws are there to make sure the structure is kept in a _continuity of the state_, such that just because the head changes, not everything needs to change. You could argue all you want about…

Some amount of stability is desirable, but not an infinite amount. A certain amount of creative destruction is necessary to avoid regulatory/ideological/bureaucratic/oligarchic capture. A completely stable system will fall to the iron law of bureaucracy.

>A certain amount of creative destruction is necessary...

This sounds truthy and even casts instability as somehow heroic, but it's an oversimplification and hides similar fallacies. It also implies that instability for the sake of instability is default-positive.

The best way to avoid capture is via law / regulation. There should be term limits, campaign finance reform, more regulation against lobbyists and the revolving door, etc. We can't have Citizens United then wonder how capture happened. And, no amount of instability will address that.

In fact, instability in this environment can serve as cover for increased capture, as there is no bulwark against reassignment of winners. This is likely what we're seeing with Musk right now.

Stability here doesn't mean nothing changes. It means things change in an orderly, reasoned manner to include thoughtfully preventing capture.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by svnt »

jtc331 wrote: post #694
svnt wrote: post #571

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Naive interpretations like this one, of bad faith actions is how we get there. This same assumption of good faith was wholly present in peoples' responses to project 2025 prior to the election. They are not acting in good faith. Try restating the problem: Why is this EO being issued? What problem, other than judicial review, does it solve for the executive branch? EDIT: For those who do not think this contributes any…

> What problem, other than judicial review, does it solve for the executive branch? It’s fairly obvious on its face the concern of the EO is not judicial review but about agencies that nominally are past of the branch the President heads determining interpretations of law contrary to what the head of the executive desires. And, it does genuinely seem weird to have an executive branch where the head of that branch doe…

So you are saying that we are meant to believe the problem is that people (who exactly?) were formulating and acting on their own interpretations of the law, independent of either the executive or judiciary branches of government? Hmm. If the problem is so immediate it requires an EO, there must be some salient examples you can point me to.

I would react the same way to anyone who had announced we would never need to vote again, who had previously pardoned felons convicted in an attempted coup, and who was now centralizing governmental oversight and power. There is no comparison to another president in the last 150 years or more.

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Post by hector126 »

thrance wrote: post #918
hector126 wrote: post #807

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I would argue that this is not the end of your country's democracy and that in 2028 a new president will be elected. You'd disagree, I trust?

A new president, sure. But an opponent? We'll see I guess. Remember when Trump said "we wouldn't have to vote ever again"? That was 3 months ago, so maybe your memory doesn't go that far.

I do remember, obviously. Those kind of tired jabs are better suited for /r/politics, I'm sure you'll be right at home there :)

That said, I also remember when Trump said he'd build a wall and that Mexico would pay for it. A remarkable amount of what Trump says isn't true, I think everyone's in agreement on that.

If the country is happy with the state of affairs in 2028 then I expect you'll have JD Vance as your president. If not, maybe Newsom, Buttigieg (my hope), or Shapiro. Either way, if you truly think that 2024 was the last election Americans will vote in, respectfully, I think you're a little bit deluded.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by hector126 »

n2e wrote: post #821
hector126 wrote: post #807

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I would argue that this is not the end of your country's democracy and that in 2028 a new president will be elected. You'd disagree, I trust?

What's your argument?

I would argue that this is not the end of your country's democracy and that in 2028 a new president will be elected.

You'll have a new president in 2028, be it Vance, Shapiro, or Oprah Winfrey. Either way, it won't be DJT.

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Post by immibis »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #966
immibis wrote: post #766

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Why aren't they pre-emptively doing that?

Because Treasuries are the foundation of the global financial system, and there's basically nothing that could replace them completely.

It seems like it would be a good idea to move the global financial system off the shaky ground before it opens up into a bottomless sinkhole, but what do I know about global finances?

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Post by wilg »

vessenes wrote: post #640
wilg wrote: post #608

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They put out a whole playbook called Project 2025, developed by a bunch of insane people at the Heritage Foundation. Trump lied and said he didn't know anything about it. Now they're doing it.

Actually, he said during the Kamala debate that it had "some good ideas and some bad ideas" to my recollection.

[citation needed]

> “I have nothing to do with Project 2025,” Trump said in the ABC News Presidential Debate. “I haven’t read it. I don’t want to read it purposely. I’m not going to read it.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-i-have-nothing-t...

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Post by spacechild1 »

butler14 wrote: post #954
spacechild1 wrote: post #621

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Yes! Where are the mass protests? Take some inspiration from Serbia: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/01/student-led-pr... . I have been asking myself: what needs to happen until US citizens wake up and finally take it to the streets? In countries like Iran or Syria people have been protesting despite the danger of being tortured and/or killed. People in the US do not need to fear any of that, so what's hol…

10 years of indoctrination via social media and Fox News is holding them back, unfortunately

To be clear, I'm mostly talking about the people who did not vote for Trump.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by vessenes »

wilg wrote: post #978
vessenes wrote: post #640

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Actually, he said during the Kamala debate that it had "some good ideas and some bad ideas" to my recollection.

[citation needed] > “I have nothing to do with Project 2025,” Trump said in the ABC News Presidential Debate. “I haven’t read it. I don’t want to read it purposely. I’m not going to read it.” https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-i-have-nothing-t...

To fill out the quote (from ABC's transcript) "Number one, I have nothing to do, as you know and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That's out there. I haven't read it. I don't want to read it, purposely. I'm not going to read it. This was a group of people that got together, they came up with some ideas. I guess some good, some bad."
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