Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

Post by jraby3 » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 8:09 PM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #666

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It could be made more fair if all the hostages were released. Why would international society accept hundreds of peaceful civilians being tortured, raped and murdered for over a year as acceptable? Israel actually built a lot of the civilian infrastructure, including the largest hospital in Gaza. It's pretty clear those places are being used as terrorist hideouts and to launch rocket attacks. Why is it acceptable to…

> hundreds of peaceful civilians being tortured, taped and murdered There is no absolute evidence that any of Hamas' hostages have been raped or tortured - according to released hostages, they were treated very well! AFAIK the only known instance of Hamas murdering a hostage was when a fighter lost it after Israel killed his entire family - all the other deaths have been a result of Israeli bombs (because if you want…

Post by shprd » Fri, Jan 17, 2025, 9:28 PM UTC

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It was never about the hostages. They used the Hannibal directive on 10/7

false. Hannibal directive has nothing to do with hostages

Post by mkoubaa » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 12:51 AM UTC

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No, it is solved by ethnic cleansing or by prevention of ethnic cleansing.

The former solves the problem but isn't really on the table. The later doesn't settle the question. Both sides would have to come up with a mutually agreeable solution and that isn't on the table.

Post by xg15 » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 10:53 AM UTC

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That's not correct. Here is a map of how the West Bank settlements have grown over the years, from 1967 until 2024: https://apnews.com/a-look-at-how-settlements-have-grown-in-t...

You are aware, I hope, that Gaza is not in the West Bank? The west bank has borders with Jordan and Israel. Gaza has borders with Egypt and Israel. Israel indeed never pulled from the West Bank, and sadly, it does let settlers live there. But it did not grow the taken area. And when Israel pulled from Gaza, it removed the settlers.

Post by breppp » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 4:41 PM UTC

oa335 wrote: post #101

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Probably the most efficient way of creating multiple generations of anger and hate is letting a radical terrorist movement control 2 million people, which can completely mold the education curriculum and free to draft anyone to their quasi-army So whatever it has done, it cannot possibly be worse than pre-war

> letting a radical terrorist movement control 2 million people, which can completely mold the education curriculum and free to draft anyone to their quasi-army “Terrorist” groups Irgun, Haganah, Lehi all became part of Israeli government and army post 1948. Israel has mandatory military service for its citizens.