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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by Terr_ »

inopinatus wrote: post #890
victorbjorklund wrote: post #812

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean with proxy war? Are you saying russia is a puppet and a proxy for Iran and North Korea who provide the weapons and even soldiers?

The folks parroting that phrase live inside an echo chamber. They’re so entrenched they never think to consider that their words might have an interpretation unfavourable to the Kremlin.

Yeah, imagine trusting labels given by the same country that sent their troops and tanks into their neighbor in 2014, and then spent years smirking and lying their asses off about not being involved.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by Terr_ »

inopinatus wrote: post #890
victorbjorklund wrote: post #812

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean with proxy war? Are you saying russia is a puppet and a proxy for Iran and North Korea who provide the weapons and even soldiers?

The folks parroting that phrase live inside an echo chamber. They’re so entrenched they never think to consider that their words might have an interpretation unfavourable to the Kremlin.

Imagine trusting the labels given out by the same country which sent their troops and tanks across the border in 2014, and then spent years smirking and lying their asses off about not being involved. Plus shooting down a civilian jet killing ~300 people.

"Oh, sure, they engage in extra-sketchy forms of state-sponsored violence and chronically lie about it... but that just means they know the material! They'd never lie to me, because we have a special spiritual connection."

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by pvaldes »

amelius wrote: post #644
MasterYoda wrote: post #491

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The last time it happened, the Russian ship had also been seen unnaturally going back and forth over the cable where the damage occurred. These damages do not happen by themselves. Considering the current international situation and the fact that it happened in a short time in several places unnaturally in a limited region, the Baltic Sea, you have to be very naive if you do not see this as probable sabotage.

Do we have some kind of time-of-flight system that can find out exactly where a cable damage occurred, the instant that it occurs?

The "Yi Peng 3", a Chinese ship that parted from a Russian Port, has been located near both cables just before they were cut. The ship was detained in NATO water, and now faces an investigation.

Currently, all points to a deliberate act of hybrid warfare

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by pvaldes »

Etheryte wrote: post #242
staplung wrote: post #63

It's worth mentioning that cable breakages happen quite often; globally about 200 times per year [1] and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor. The Gulf of Finland is evidently quite shallow. From what I understand, cable repair ships are likely to use ROVs for parts of repair jobs but only when the water is shallow so hopefully they can figur…

This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.

Same procedure this time

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/chinese-ship-investigat...

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by pvaldes »

oneshtein wrote: post #822
nkrisc wrote: post #707

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What non-NATO European country are they going to invade (and hold!) as a bargaining chip? Any how many of those tanks go straight to Ukraine? Do you think Russia can afford to stockpile tanks (and everything else necessary) for several years for an invasion of Europe while simultaneously engaged in the their current war in Ukraine?

Slovakia or Hungary, for example.

They would not need a direct attack. Orban talked about allowing free access to any Russian citizen towards Hungary. We have seen this film yet and is called "green men 2".

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by pvaldes »

toast0 wrote: post #844
nopakos wrote: post #568

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Hey! I woke up at 06:00 to check what was wrong with a service. It turned out, a server in Germany could not reach a server in Finland in the 20" timeout I had set.

You set your timeout in inches? I thought you were all metric over tehre, except for socket drivers which are universally imperial :P

Just for the record

20": English notation for twenty seconds

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by dang »

lynx23 wrote: post #588
benterix wrote: post #570

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You can't post slurs against populations here.

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking HN's guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by inopinatus »

hackandthink wrote: post #942
loandbehold wrote: post #818

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Russia is responsible but not alone. This war could have been prevented by not pushing Ukraine into NATO. It's THE reason for the war.

Who Caused the Ukraine War? https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/who-caused-the-ukraine-wa...

Mearsheimer is entirely captured by Putin’s “Valdai Club” propaganda unit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_Discussion_Club

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by dragonwriter »

loandbehold wrote: post #818
dralley wrote: post #783

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Russia and Russia alone is responsible for "kick-starting" this war. And providing Ukraine with aid so that they don't get steamrolled is not morally wrong. Nor is refusing to do so so that Russia can more quickly get around to torturing and repressing the population a moral right.

Russia is responsible but not alone. This war could have been prevented by not pushing Ukraine into NATO. It's THE reason for the war.

> Russia is responsible but not alone. This war could have been prevented by not pushing Ukraine into NATO

The war is what caused Ukraine to restart its previously-repudiated attempts to join NATO, so this isn’t just wrong but entirely backwards.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Post by hackandthink »

dralley wrote: post #966
hackandthink wrote: post #942

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who Caused the Ukraine War? https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/who-caused-the-ukraine-wa...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVmmASrAL-Q&t=30m50s

"Shut Up About NATO Expansion" is a fun video, well made.

But Mearsheimer's arguments are convincing.

We may find it ridiculous to be afraid of NATO or the USA. Others do not.

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