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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#971

Again the DEM party took another opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They should have nominated Mark Kelly. The GOP ran on "this bitch hates America". You can't run on that against a 4 star rear admiral who also went into space.

> The GOP ran on "this bitch hates America".

This is it. I think people are drastically overestimating the complexity of the average voter's decision-making. We vote based off "vibes" in America unfortunately. Which means good ol' fashioned sexism and racism is all you need.

Trump didn't get more people to vote for him than 2020. That's very telling and seems to be something people keep ignoring.

Take a look at the demographics of who didn't come out to vote.

I don't know how many more elections we need to accept the fact that a large chunk of this country straight up won't vote for someone that doesn't pass the "Hey, I'd have a beer with that dude" vibes check. It's depressing but the evidence is the evidence.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#972

“Every [democratic] country has the government it deserves.” ― Joseph de Maistre

"It is considered democratic, for example, that state offices are filled by lot, and oligarchic that they are filled by election" — Aristotle, Politics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#973

About 20 million votes less than the 2020 election, with about 15 million less for the democrats, and a measely 4 million less for the republicans. Thought that was interesting.

> about 15 million less for the democrats

This is wrong. We don’t know how many people voted for democrats or otherwise yet. Heck, California still has millions of votes to count.

Your mistake is that you’re comparing a known total from 2020 to a count in progress from 2024.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#974

Today we learned that immigration is more important for Americans than even abortion, so much that 3 states didn’t even codify it.

I don't understand this sentiment. Donald Trump has done nothing nor intends to do nothing that is either pro or anti abortion. His actions pushed abortion legislation back to the state level, which is how it should be. Forcing federal legislation on this topic is ludicrous because of differing opinions, so what Trump did is an absolute win for everyone.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#976

It's the economy, stupid: -Inflation is not prices; it is the rate of change in prices. Low inflation doesn't imply low prices. -Aggregate statistics don't necessarily explain individual outcomes. The Dems failed on this count massively, and have, for maybe the last 40 years, which is about the amount of time it took for my state to go from national bellwether (As goes Ohio, so goes the nation) to a reliably red stat…

People are frustrated. Incomes are below the levels of a half century ago, and there are a growing number of things you “have” to pay for.

Internet, streaming services, increasingly deregulated and less subsidized utilities, private equity hyperinflating housing costs, etc.

Sure, we live better in many ways.. but that too takes its toll. Vehicles are much, much more advanced (and expensive), for example. Instead of owning land and living in whatever you can build, people live in better accommodations but own nothing. Credit replaces savings with the promise of instant gratification. In every transaction there are parasitic costs all the way down in the name of efficiency, JIT logistics, payment processors, etc. the costs of these “savings” is passed on the the consumer, while the temporary balance sheet boost is distributed to the capital class through stock buybacks or dividends.

In the end there is a good or service that you “need” for every penny you can possibly make if you are on the top of the bell curve.

The economy is fundamentally a two party system, those who generate and shed surplus value (wage workers), and those who seek to recover the fraction off the value that the workers were given in exchange for their time.

Companies exist to harvest and concentrate this surplus. When the distinction between the workers and the companies is small, as with small enterprise, worker-owned businesses, etc this system actually works fairly well.

It also works well even for large companies working on physical or technological frontiers. They benefit much more by moving the bar in innovation or resource exploitation than by optimizing profitability on a fixed resource.

When it is huge corporate conglomerates in crowded or saturated markets, that exist primarily to enrich investors from a relatively static market, it becomes less clear where the benefits fade into the burden that these entities place on their host populations.

The outcome we see today is the counterintuitive result of a relatively efficient market - total living costs will rise to consume all of the available “surplus” resources. Nature abhors a vacuum, and unspent cash makes a howling roar that attracts capitalist parasites from miles away. It’s the unmentioned corollary of the efficient market, and it is turbocharged by regulatory capture (thus the battle over community broadband, right to repair, etc)

The same system that incentivizes rational actors to seek superior value incentivizes their counterparts to create vendor lock-in, soft price fixing, hostile supply chain manipulation, deceptive trade practices, regulatory capitulation, and more. It’s often more profitable to manipulate incentives than it is to create a superior value position.

The net result of this push-pull between entrepreneurial innovation and parasitic trade practices is the sucking up of all significant sources of discretionary spending. So if you are doing well at an average level, you will be living paycheck to paycheck just to buy the “essentials”.

This is a systemic problem endemic to capitalism when there are no more commons (frontiers) to consume.

This is probably the best argument for aggressive space colonization and industrialization.

A wild, unpredictable frontier is the only suitable substitute for the cleansing power of large scale war to clean out the graft, grift and cobwebs from entrenched capital. Otherwise, every erstwhile efficient market becomes a new frontier for “inefficiency farming”.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#977

It's the economy, stupid: -Inflation is not prices; it is the rate of change in prices. Low inflation doesn't imply low prices. -Aggregate statistics don't necessarily explain individual outcomes. The Dems failed on this count massively, and have, for maybe the last 40 years, which is about the amount of time it took for my state to go from national bellwether (As goes Ohio, so goes the nation) to a reliably red stat…

The dems failed at messaging, as they have forever. Both parties have abdicated their role enforcing antitrust regs (esp as it relates to the food industry).

Additionally mis-handling COVID and implementing a 25% tariff on some commodities had a massive impact on prices.

Then there’s just the evolution of some markets: PE buying housing inventory + short-term rentals + Rental yield-management (thinly-veiled collusion on pricing) have transformed the housing market.

The biggest impacts: consolidation and a deregulation mandate. Companies can do whatever the hell they want.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#978

Just out of (actual) curiosity: is the culture divide now strong enough that dissolution of the Union is a possibility? If so, why? If not, why not?

Yes I absolutely think so. It won’t be a total dissolution, but I would expect coastal states especially on the West Coast to band together and leave the union. This would only happen in my eyes if Trump consolidated power and attempts to extend his term indefinitely OR/AND Trump, being as vengeful as he is, attempts to get back at blue states via federal laws and orders.

Some may say “no, to secede you need approval and they will say no!”. Okay, but in this scenario why would states with the GDP the rest of the union relies on just ask nicely?

A Trump government threatened individual liberties everywhere and he’s vindictive enough to concentrate on blue states. Check the news today about Newsom’s special session. Plans already under way.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#979

Today we learned that immigration is more important for Americans than even abortion, so much that 3 states didn’t even codify it.

I think you might be reading into that wrong... They both seemed to have similiar views on imigration...

I think another reading is that abortion was the most important topic. I strongly believe that abortion is wrong and voted accordingly. There have been over 20M abortions in the united states, and is directly responsible for our current population collapse.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#980

Wouldn't it be amazing if we had a viable third party? I can dream, can't I?

I hear this all the time, but it's not like this is going to happen by prescription, quietly and cleanly and welcomed in. These are powerful factions that are not going to take it lying down.

MAGA is the third party. Nobody ceded power to Trump. Both R and D tried really damn hard to get rid of him. His biggest detractors are GOP royalty.

He got enough people behind him to get established. In his remarks following this election, he even referred to it as the MAGA Party.

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