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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by fennecbutt »

BobAliceInATree wrote: post #827
dguest wrote: post #684

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I'm confused about how Europe didn't have anything to do with the timing. Apple switched exactly when Europe mandated it and criticized the mandate.

They switched a year earlier than mandated. There’s a very good chance it was actually already in the works.

They've added repair stuff years in advance for the upcoming mandate on right to repair. Funny how they know the path they should take but don't choose to take it until there's a future mandate. Then suddenly it's "out of the goodness of our corporate heart..." and y'all eat it up & make excuses for em.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by fennecbutt »

davedx wrote: post #394
graeme wrote: post #138

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The iMacs very much aren't their main seller. A couple of key demographics use it though: * Families with a shared computer in a common room. Super simple to setup, no fiddling, low price. In the video Apple showcased this use case. My parents have an M3 imac and it works great. They had their last iMac for ten years. * Businesses buy these for reception areas and customers see the Apple logo on the back. Easy soluti…

My daughter's orthodontist has one of these behind every chair. Our dentist has them too. HN honestly is a terrible source of information for 1) What sells 2) What might sell

Ironic that you're also professing what to sell right above and that you're also doing it on HN.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by fennecbutt »

stouset wrote: post #206
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I'd be interested in numbers on some of this. From my view, the upgradability is a bit of a red herring for most users. Computers are fast enough for most uses that it just doesn't matter.

And frankly, the “upgradeability” of most desktops is a myth in my experience. By the time I’ve ever wanted to upgrade a Windows or Linux PC, a new CPU probably isn’t going to fit into the same socket as the one I had so now I need a new motherboard too. I probably want a new GPU if it was a gaming PC and if it wasn’t I would be using an integrated GPU anyway. I think the only thing I’ve ever kept from an “upgrade” w…

In your experience for sure, myself and everyone I know with a desktop upgrades bit by bit where they can. My recent one was 16->32gb ram, even cheaper now since it's only ddr4.

Tho the next will likely be a full upgrade as my last main build was 2018 with the mini-itx I still have. But if I want to do more ai stuff I'll probably need to hop up to m-atx or even just atx. 1080ti I'm currently on was the last before the era of sanely sized gpus came to an abrupt end

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by fennecbutt »

notjustanymike wrote: post #250
jfoster wrote: post #76

I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

It's the computer equivalent of a fleet car.

Nah that's a chromebook.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by Toutouxc »

duped wrote: post #925
mysteria wrote: post #598

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Do regular users use more than 250GB or so of local storage? Large media collections are likely stored on a NAS or external HDDs and the local disk is more for the OS, apps, and scratch space. Nowadays many files are on the cloud as well. Developers, video editors, and other people who actually handle large amounts of data locally will likely purchase an upgrade. While they're Linux systems pretty much all my desktop…

This reads like Apple Stockholm syndrome. I haven't bought a device with less than 1TB storage in a decade. The users that you're talking about would be happy with a Chromebook or iPad, not a $1k+ machine that ostensibly is for "pro" work. In fact the last time I did it, it was an Apple device and I wouldn't buy one again. AAA video games will take 100GB of local storage. I'm not claiming Apple is good for gaming, bu…

My next machine will probably be 512GB model, but I’m still doing fine with my 256 GB Air and a 4TB NAS. I use an action camera for mountain biking and I take photos with a 24Mpix mirrorless camera. I just offload the material to the NAS as soon as possible, and I don’t game on the thing.

Also, macOS definitely doesn’t take up 128 GB.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mbs159 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #564
jmspring wrote: post #550

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"good reasons"? What would be those?

Cables are the obvious one, as someone else mentioned. But I think people forget how many accessories have been sold (e.g. FLIR cameras [0]) that were Lightning only. Switching the phone to USB-C renders those expensive accessories obsolete. [0] https://www.flir.com/products/flir-one-gen-3

Just get a Lighting to USB-C adapter

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by sunshowers »

Wytwwww wrote: post #701
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To be honest it's the Mac that feels clunky, at least compared to Linux. Why does every app have its own updater? Why are the animations so painfully slow?

That's fair. People have different preferences. I personally don't even really care much for macOS these days.. > every app have its own updater Well certainly not all due. But mainly because they are not part of the OS/distribution. And it's not like there arent any proprietary apps on Linux that have to be installed/updated independently. Also you can use the App Store if you are so inclined. IMHO an awful experien…

Maybe more recent versions of macOS have made it better (last I used it was in 2020), but I remember the app store being really slow at everything. KDE Discover is a bit slow but feels like it functions better overall.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by shmoogy »

crazygringo wrote: post #921
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I bought my wife a base storage mini with this assumption and her iCloud messages was 95gb because of all the pictures and videos sent. There is no way to offload it or move it to store on my nas, or an external HDD that I could find It's a very intentional thing to try to make you need more space. I pay $30 a month for the 6tb iCloud plan and could find no other workarounds other than logging her out of iMessage - w…

If her iCloud backup is 95gb then it only costs $3/mo. for the 200 GB plan [1]. If you're paying $30/mo. for the 6 TB storage plan then that's because you're choosing to store a ton of stuff there. It's certainly not because of your wife's messages. And you're making my point for me -- I do the same! $10/mo for 2 TB. It's great. Cloud pricing is pretty decently competitive when you compare it to building your own sto…

We pay for iCloud regardless because we've crossed the 2tb threshold for our devices and our kids devices backups + photos and videos.

Deleting the iMessage data off the device is not feasible after like ten minutes it was showing me 20 at a time that had small sizes relative to the amount left to delete. Thank you for your attempt at helping though

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by seec »

WorldWideWebb wrote: post #962
seec wrote: post #961

So basically it's the same thing but with M4 and more RAM at the baseline. I suppose Apple would like us to be gratefull for that. Yet since it comes with only 256Gb storage standard, the minimum viable model is just under 2k euros with still a paltry 512Gb storage. That just crazy. Considering there are report of the first generation having problem with the display (most likely because of heat generation) it's even…

I’m on a 2017 iMac 27” and the hardware issues aside, I’m also not upgrading yet because they got rid of decent screen sizes. Other than money/profit - why don’t they make a 27” anymore? Frustrating.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's all solely profit motivated.

Under Tim Cook, Apple followed the religion of the minimum profit margin very carefully. They just don't sell stuff that they can't extract 50% margin of.

With that in mind it's clear that a hypothetical big iMac would be priced at around 2.2K at least for the very entry level at that would be a ridiculously weak computer for at that price point. The minimum viable machine would be around the 3K mark and a comfortable setup would be bordering on 4k. Those kinds of price would make it an extremely niche product but would also clearly highlight the major inflation Apple products have suffered under Tim Cook.

The iMac was good because it was reasonably priced, for this reason they sold a lot of them (I know that for a fact, I worked for an Apple Premium Service Provider) but the margin on those was not as good as the rest, in part because of the display but also other factors (transport, servicing).

And thus, their "solution" is to offer a standalone display that costs the same as previously an entry level "big iMac", this way they ensure their profit margin on 2 front and encourage you to renew the mac part more often.

In my opinion that last part is a bit nonsensical, I find that by the time you want to renew the computer (as a private owner, not a business), display tech has evolved enough that you would want to change it anyway. Because the big iMac had a useful supported life of almost 10 years and you can still use them and they still make decent Windows/Linux computers if you don't want to deal with Apple unsupported OS (becomes problematic after 3-4 releases).

Everything Apple does nowadays is about profit first, and almost only profits. I wish they never had been that successful with the iPhone. I bought the first gen (imported from US), as well as first gen iPod and they were really great defining products. I did not expect the whole populace to pick up on it and make it a social status thing. It has tainted everything and now they make too much money to care about anything really. They still make good products but when you look at pricing/competition it is really not as appealing as it used to.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by seec »

wolrah wrote: post #201
alberth wrote: post #100

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Does it though? The iMac is basically the same as the M4 iPad Pro, and the iPad Pro doesn't have a chin.

> The iMac is basically the same as the M4 iPad Pro, and the iPad Pro doesn't have a chin. Cooling seems like it might be a factor here. The iMac's display is probably going to be run at a brighter (and thus hotter) setting AND it's more likely to be used to do things that require high load for extended periods of time, so putting it in its own space probably helps.

Yes that's mostly the reason. But considering there are report of display issues like we used to on poorly cooled Intel iMac (those things would get to 90 degree at the PSU, being over 50 degrees on the aluminum case outside) I would say this design is largely a failure.

They should just have separated everything in the foot, that would have made sense. Some sort of modern Sunflower iMac if you will. But Apple is more obsessed with thinness than practical design, so we get an impossibly thin iMac will all the flaws that brings...

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